Goopster24 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Lots of talk lately about the coaching trees out there with all these young coaches getting jobs such as Eric Mangini and Sean Payton. I'm curious to find out what the veteran fans on these forums think about this question: Which coaching tree is the more impressive one, Walsh or Parcells? You can sorta divide it up into Holmgren and/or Belichick. Walsh has the following: Mike Holmgren Jon Gruden Mike Sherman Steve Mariucci Andy Reid Edit: Dennis Green Edit: Brian Billick Edit: Marty Mornhinweg There are more, help? Parcells has the following: Bill Belichick Chris Palmer Al Groh Ray Handley Romeo Crennel Charlie Weis Sean Payton Eric Mangini There is also Tom Landry I believe, with Mike Ditka and Dan Reeves I believe. I'll post my opinion after some others. Edited January 18, 2006 by Goopster24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheezhed Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 You can throw Marty Morningwhig (sp) in the first group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 You can throw Marty Morningwhig (sp) in the first group. 1273981[/snapback] Why would you want to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Why would you want to... 1273986[/snapback] Very true but did anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheezhed Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Why would you want to... 1273986[/snapback] yeah.........you're right!!! on Marty for impersonating a coach!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zooty Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I think D. Jauron is in the Walsh group also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Jesus Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 You can add Tom Coughlin & Nick Saban to the Parcells tree. Marty Scottenheimer has a decent tree too Dom Capers Bill Cowher Jack Del Rio Tony Dungy Herm Edwards Jim Haslett Marvin Lewis Mike Mularky Lovie Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I can ramble off a few more for Walsh off the top of my head: Seifert, Wyche, Hackett, Rhodes, Shanahan, Fisher, Turner, Willingham, Callahan, Fassel. And don't forget Paul Brown above Bill Walsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 there's a more complete walsh tree here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Just remember that through Denny Green, Mike Tice can be traced to Walsh. Does that alter anyone's thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Mania Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 And don't forget Paul Brown above Bill Walsh. 1274090[/snapback] Yes! Bill Walsh expected to take over the Bengals after PB retired, but PB "rewarded" Tiger Johnson's many years of loyalty instead (the Brown family is very loyal, even to the detriment of the team). So if Bill Walsh had been the Bengals coach from the late 70's on............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Didn't Nick Saban fall off the Parcells tree? Regardless, I think the Walsh tree is better. Two Superbowl winners, and just better coaches overall IMO. Outside of Belichick, no one from the Parcells tree has won anything. (Unless I'm right about Saban, in which case you can throw an NCAA title in there too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Regardless, I think the Walsh tree is better. Two Superbowl winners... 1274296[/snapback] Erm, Seifert, Holmgren, and Shanahan make that 3 SB winning coaches and 4 SB titles, not to mention Reid's current success. Though personally, I would only count people in a "tree" if they coached directly under said coach. Reid is a Holmgren guy, who has an impressive tree of his own if you use that criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Erm, Seifert, Holmgren, and Shanahan make that 3 SB winning coaches and 4 SB titles, not to mention Reid's current success. Though personally, I would only count people in a "tree" if they coached directly under said coach. Reid is a Holmgren guy, who has an impressive tree of his own if you use that criteria. 1274345[/snapback] eh, sort of. i don't think it's so cut-and-dried. if they're carrying on the same system, i think a guy can be 2, 3 4 generations away and still be considered progeny. but if the lineage to walsh goes through siefert or something (a defensive coach), then it's a little more tenuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Here's a nice little breakdown for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Jesus Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Didn't Nick Saban fall off the Parcells tree? Regardless, I think the Walsh tree is better. Two Superbowl winners, and just better coaches overall IMO. Outside of Belichick, no one from the Parcells tree has won anything. (Unless I'm right about Saban, in which case you can throw an NCAA title in there too.) 1274296[/snapback] "Saban is hard to pin down, but the Parcells tree is where he fits best, having spent four years with Belichick in Cleveland. Saban got his NFL start from Jerry Glanville in Houston in the late 1980s." Parcells to Belichick to Saban. OK so he's a twig off a branch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Will take Parcell's tree but its a tough call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Mike Tice finally has his tree started: Scott Linehan Just Kidding - I would say that Walshes tree looks better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Mike Tice finally has his tree started: Scott Linehan Just Kidding - I would say that Walshes tree looks better. 1276904[/snapback] Mike Tice's tree is more like ground cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Mike Tice's tree is more like ground cover. 1276913[/snapback] Moss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 You can add Tom Coughlin & Nick Saban to the Parcells tree. Marty Scottenheimer has a decent tree too Dom Capers Bill Cowher Jack Del Rio Tony Dungy Herm Edwards Jim Haslett Marvin Lewis Mike Mularky Lovie Smith 1274060[/snapback] Jack Del Rio: 1997 - 1998: Under Coach Ditka 1999 - 2001: LB coach for the ravens 2002: D coordinator for the panthers 2003 - Jags coach Where does Shottenheimer fall in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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