NFL confiscates camera aimed at Jets bench

[McBoog]

Sorry, we must be going too fast for you!

 

McBoog, how can you have one set of rules for the Patriots and one for your Chargers? Don't! If the Chargers did the same thing, I would not be a Charger fan anymore! I love the game more than any one team! Did San Diego have to forfeit any games because Merriman was on Steroids? Merriman's action were not the result of THE TEAM condoning what was going on. They were individual actions that broke league policy and he was penalized for it! He also pissed clean before the season started and was never on the field with juice in his system according to the NFL. Is he inelgible for the Hall of Fame? Time, memory and opinion will tell. As of now, I don't think anyone has even considered him eligble. He hasn't played long enough or shown yearly consistency! Poor analogy, one player compared to an entire team/organization, conspiring with their coach, to continue to cheat on a regular basis. Do we dismiss everything the Chargers have done? No. Correct! Merriman cheated, not the whole team! Does INDY hav eto forfeit their Superbowl because Rhodes took steroids? No. Correct! Rhodes cheated, not the whole team! Unless you can prove that the PATS had cameras at all those games, you can't punish them. The history from Miami last year suggests that this has been an on-going behavior. Sorry to break it to you!

 

As far as it being "not one guy, it is a systemic, organizational practice! ", keep in mind Belichick does not play defense, he does not play offense. He coaches. And... The coach is not part of the team and has no real outcome on what happens during the course of the season? Did you really mean to say this? WOW! Why even hire a coach? Think of all the money you could save! Brah! THE ENTIRE TEAM AND COACHING STAFF at a minimum participated in this. Can you say "conspiracy"? I knew you could. Knowing my coaches were doing this, as a player I would have felt little achievement on the field. Since nobody came forward, it shed light on the "character" of the ENTIRE team, players and coaches alike! (OOOOPS! sorry, I forgot that coaches don't count. If they don't, why do you all bother to slob Bell-I-Cheats knob like y'alls do? Unlike Merriman who's actions on the field of play can influence the outcome of the game. Once again. According to what was released, Merriman peed bad before Trainingcamp and only once. Every test during camp and the course of the season were clean. He never competed while juiced. It is not an excuse for his actions and he was caught an punished during the season. His absence was in reality, a punishment to the team as well as to the individual! If you can't see this, then we will call it a fine line and we will probably never see eye-to-eye on this. Everyone knows manning is looking for Marvin Harrison, but still he catches 100 balls a year. I don't get it! Or... have they been cheating too?

 

The biggest crime here though might be how you support 4 football teams. PATS, Chargers, Steelers & Dolphins? I mean do you just root for whoever's in first place? How does that work? I guess here you realized how stoopid your entire post was, didn't want to feel like you wasted your time writing it and thew a personal attack in at the end to justify your rediculous take! As a CHILD, I lived in NE, my gramps, who taught me football in Pitt and we also lived part of the year in Florida. As a kid, the people around me rooted for these teams, so I did too. When we went to San Diego, and I lived there for 3 decades, my primary interest became the Chargers, hence...

I always enjoyed Pat success if it didn't interfere with the Chargers (same with Steelers and Dolphins).

Following more than one team has always given me a better feel of what goes on League wide during the season and set me up well for getting into FF. What better teams to follow than my childhood favorites?

 

BTW

 

con·spir·a·cy /kənˈspɪrəsi/ –noun, plural -cies.

1. the act of conspiring.

2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.

5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

 

 

Now go away before I spank you again!

Edited September 12, 2007 by McBoog

[gilwiggum]

Sorry, we must be going too fast for you!

 

Following more than one team has always given me a better feel of what goes on League wide during the season and set me up well for getting into FF. What better teams to follow than my childhood favorites? [/color]

 

BTW

 

con·spir·a·cy /kənˈspɪrəsi/ –noun, plural -cies.

1. the act of conspiring.

2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.

5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

Now go away before I spank you again!

 

 

McBoog -

To simplify my point, I find the actions of Merriman and Rhodes far worse than the camera incident because they can impact the actual outcome of the game as they are on the field of play. Also as the Patriots have not been caught doing this before, I do not see why your penalties are so harsh for them, but you are willing to dismiss Merriman's actions. Now, the Patriots have been suspected of doing this before, but there is no video evidence to back it up. All we know is that a camera man was in the wrong place last year in Green Bay. I am sure many people have suspected Merriman has been on steroids despite how many times he has tested negatively. But you cannot punish based on suspicion. As far as everything is concerned, the Patriots should be punished on this instance alone, and I agree they should be punished but not to the extent that you have outlined.

[broncosn05]

Image of the NFL.... What's worse..... Belicheck...... or........ that Falcon QB......... ?

[CD6405]

Image of the NFL.... What's worse..... Belicheck...... or........ that Falcon QB......... ?

 

 

Belichick, because he's white.

[budlitebrad]

I find the actions of Merriman and Rhodes far worse than the camera incident because they can impact the actual outcome of the game as they are on the field of play

 

Using the other team's signals has a much greater effect than any single player could. Just knowing if the defense is in man or zone could help you every single offensive series.

 

It's worse because it's coming from the coaching staff. All teams try to steal signals and I know it's an accepted practice, but when you use technology to get an unfair advantage it ain't right.

 

Goodell gave every team a stern warning this season, so the punishment will probably be harsh.

Edited September 12, 2007 by budlitebrad

[PantherDave]

Using the other team's signals has a much greater effect than any single player could. Just knowing if the defense is in man or zone could help you every single offensive series.

 

 

Yes, some are having a hard time grasping the "competitive" advantage invloved here it seems.

[Cowboyz1]

Belichick, because he's white.

 

 

Sadly, enough your right, we don't expect that sort of thing from Belichick but Vick was just doing what he did before he was famous...........

[AtomicCEO]

That's what upsets me the most, compromising the intergrity of the game. For all you "everyone else is doing it" appologists, I whole heartedly disagree.....I do NOT think everyone is doing it.

 

Once again... if everyone is doing it, then why have only the Patriots been busted doing it... twice.

 

That line of reasoning holds no water.

[Goopster24]

OK, so if they did it, and it helped them, you're OK with it. That's what you're saying, just for the record, right?

 

I did say earlier in this thread that I don't have a problem with what they did but what I meant was that I think this is a overblown story in the sense that many teams do this. That doesn't make it right and the Patriots should be punished. I never would or will endorse anything that hurts the integrity of the game.

[Goopster24]

Once again... if everyone is doing it, then why have only the Patriots been busted doing it... twice.

 

That line of reasoning holds no water.

 

They aren't the only team that has been busted. Miami got caught last year and there have been number of instances of players talking about stealing signals and stuff. Obviously this is the most obvious crime because they had some scrub sitting there videotaping and that is breaking a rule no doubt. But someone sitting there, watching that same person, writing down what they see, and then later interpreting it, how is that different? My point exactly, it's the same thing.

 

And yes, I know, it is still bad.

Edited September 13, 2007 by Goopster24

[gilwiggum]

They aren't the only team that has been busted. Miami got caught last year and there have been number of instances of players talking about stealing signals and stuff. Obviously this is the most obvious crime because they had some scrub sitting there videotaping and that is breaking a rule no doubt. But someone sitting there, watching that same person, writing down what they see, and then later interpreting it, how is that different? My point exactly, it's the same thing.

 

And yes, I know, it is still bad.

 

I am just not sure what "competitive advantage" can be gotten from the schedules in the existing game, perhaps the information would have benefitted the PATS in the 2nd matchup, but I imagine the JETS defensive signals are complex enough that it would take some serious review to interpret what they mean, and I doubt (and could be wrong) that this can take place during a game.

 

Maybe this blog should be tabled until after Goodell releases his punishment?

[Vet]

...but I imagine the JETS defensive signals are complex enough that it would take some serious review to interpret what they mean...

 

I'd be careful with that assumption. This is the Jets we're talking about here.

[AtomicCEO]

They aren't the only team that has been busted. Miami got caught last year

 

Link?

 

Actually, I found the link. The dolphins didn't film anyone, didn't use it during a game, and didn't use any weird radio communications. The league ruled that they violated no rule by watching tape of the Patriots during the week.

 

This is a silly argument, and isn't true.

 

and there have been number of instances of players talking about stealing signals and stuff. Obviously this is the most obvious crime because they had some scrub sitting there videotaping and that is breaking a rule no doubt. But someone sitting there, watching that same person, writing down what they see, and then later interpreting it, how is that different? My point exactly, it's the same thing.

 

It's different because:

 

a. it's specifically emphatically against the rules. Stealing signs with your eyes does not involve technology and it purely empirical. Anyone with eyes can do it.

and

b. there is another infraction with improper use of radio frequencies. Someone sitting there with reading signs is not going to have the success rate of someone with a video camera matching it up with audio and relaying the information back to the coaches in real time.

Edited September 13, 2007 by AtomicCEO

[Vet]

It's different because:

 

a) it's specifically emphatically against the rules. Stealing signs with your eyes does not involve technology and it purely empirical. Anyone with eyes can do it.

and

there is another infraction with improper use of radio frequencies. Someone sitting there with reading signs is not going to have the success rate of someone with a video camera matching it up with audio and relaying the information back to the coaches in real time.

 

Bingo.

[SMF]

My only question is if this has been going on for such a long time and man-genius knew about (which being part of the organization for so long he would have to know)....why did he not bring this to someone's attention during one of their early games played or during the PLAYOFF game. This makes you think maybe it is not such an advantage as everyone thinks, maybe just man-genius's plan to get his own "competitive advantage" by causing distractions

[SMF]

However I do agree with AtomicCEO that it is a specific rule the nfl has enforced so the Pats should be punished...however saying that this is the reason for them being so successful may be a little of a strech

 

Also the pats have only been busted once. They were accused of this act before but there has never been any proof, not saying they didn't do it just saying they were only busted once.

Edited September 13, 2007 by SMF

[Azazello1313]

To simplify my point, I find the actions of Merriman and Rhodes far worse than the camera incident because they can impact the actual outcome of the game as they are on the field of play.

 

so knowing the other teams plays via coordinated, conspiratorial cheating doesn't...err...."impact the actual outcome of the game as they are on the field of play"?

Edited September 13, 2007 by Azazello1313

[McBoog]

McBoog -

To simplify my point, I find the actions of Merriman and Rhodes far worse than the camera incident because they can impact the actual outcome of the game as they are on the field of play... Blah, blah, blah

 

Dude, we ARE going too fast for you.

 

How does one guy cheating trump a WHOLE FRIGGEN" TEAM cheating on both sides of the ball, the whole game? Once again, , I am perplexed!

 

You have let your blind homerism not only excuse what appears to be obvious, you mentally edit what others relate if it is not in lockstep with protecting the image of your Cheat...um, Pats.

 

I NEVER excused anyone for their violations. Where?

 

Buh Bye!

[Hugh 0ne]

I'd be careful with that assumption. This is the Jets we're talking about here.

 

:chuckle:

[cre8tiff]

I am just not sure what "competitive advantage" can be gotten from the schedules in the existing game, perhaps the information would have benefitted the PATS in the 2nd matchup, but I imagine the JETS defensive signals are complex enough that it would take some serious review to interpret what they mean, and I doubt (and could be wrong) that this can take place during a game.

 

Maybe this blog should be tabled until after Goodell releases his punishment?

 

I think you are wrong, the tapes could easily be passed to some brainiac staff member (encryption expert?) to be poured over, along with what each defensive look was. Remember, they can't be too complex, as there are 11 folks on the field that have to be able to memorize them.

 

If that person could manage to glean just ONE signal - corner blitz, for example - the results in the third and fourth quarter could be devastating.

Edited September 13, 2007 by cre8tiff

[The Wolf]

McBoog -

To simplify my point, I find the actions of Merriman and Rhodes far worse than the camera incident because they can impact the actual outcome of the game as they are on the field of play. Also as the Patriots have not been caught doing this before, I do not see why your penalties are so harsh for them, but you are willing to dismiss Merriman's actions. Now, the Patriots have been suspected of doing this before, but there is no video evidence to back it up. All we know is that a camera man was in the wrong place last year in Green Bay. I am sure many people have suspected Merriman has been on steroids despite how many times he has tested negatively. But you cannot punish based on suspicion. As far as everything is concerned, the Patriots should be punished on this instance alone, and I agree they should be punished but not to the extent that you have outlined.

 

I respect your opinion bro...but come on...do you REALLY believe that??? Take the homer glasses off, make yourself Sweden or some other neutral soverign entity and re-read what you wrote.

[AtomicCEO]

Also the pats have only been busted once. They were accused of this act before but there has never been any proof, not saying they didn't do it just saying they were only busted once.

 

You're factually incorrect. The exact same NE camera man was ejected from the sidelines of a GB/NE game for doing the same thing last year.

 

Are people simply not reading this story before commenting on it?

[SMF]

You're factually incorrect. The exact same NE camera man was ejected from the sidelines of a GB/NE game for doing the same thing last year.

 

Are people simply not reading this story before commenting on it?

 

I will repeat.....

 

Also the pats have only been busted once. They were accused of this act before but there has never been any proof, not saying they didn't do it just saying they were only busted once.

[The Wolf]

I will repeat.....

 

Also the pats have only been busted once. They were accused of this act before but there has never been any proof, not saying they didn't do it just saying they were only busted once.

 

Well, I guess that makes them a first-time offender ...and Commissioner Goodell could care less how many times a player or a team has been in trouble. One strike and he pounces.

[AtomicCEO]

I will repeat.....

 

Also the pats have only been busted once. They were accused of this act before but there has never been any proof, not saying they didn't do it just saying they were only busted once.

 

You have a weird definition of not getting busted. They caught him doing it, escorted him from the premises, and warned New England not to do it again.