Goopster24 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 POSTED 12:52 p.m. EST, January 27, 2008 'BOYS TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THE FINS? ESPN's Chris Mortensen suggested during a special edition of Sunday NFL Countdown that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is eyeing the possibility of swinging a trade with the Dolphins for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 draft. Such a deal would allow the 'Boys to bag running back Darren McFadden, who played college football at Jones' alma mater of Arkansas. Per Mort, any such deal would have to include the rights to Cowboys running back Marion Barber, who is slated to be a restricted free agent. To make it happen, the Cowboys would have to work out a sign-and-trade deal before Barber gets a chance to ink an offer sheet that would force the Cowboys to match the terms or let him go in exchange for compensation. Thus, the safest bet for the 'Boys would be to tender Barber at the highest possible level, which would force any team that signs him to give up a first-round pick and a third-round pick. Those extra picks then could be used to sweeten the pot for the top spot in the draft. And it's clear that the Cowboys are going to have to find a way to enhance the two first-rounders that they can offer up for the No. 1 pick. Under the revised draft order, the Cowboys pick at No. 22 (from Cleveland) and at No. 28. Under the trade chart, the No. 22 overall pick is worth 780 points and the No. 28 selection is worth 660 points. The No. 1 selection has a value of 3,000 points; thus, the Cowboys would be a whopping 1,560 points short. Though the trade chart arguably needs to be adjusted to reflect the fact that the enormous financial investment that is now required when using the top pick makes the prospects of a move up even more fraught with risk, the Fins could justify the 1,560-point gap by placing that value on Barber, who coupled with Ronnie Brown could give Miami a deadly one-two punch in the backfield. Some readers think that the framework for a deal is already in place, and was part of the unspoken understanding that allowed the Dolphins to have their way with the Dallas front office and coaching staff. If that's true it wouldn't surprise us. Jones surely covets McFadden, and our guess is that he is willing to do whatever is necessary to get him. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Is improving the running game really what Dallas needs most? Doesn't seem like the magic bullet worth selling off a bunch of good draft picks to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjpro11 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 pretty dumb.. who wants to take on that kind of contract for an unproven running back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Crazy Talk..Take an unproven rook over a bruising proven back..Nuts..I wish Dallas made a run at Turner..That would be a sweet 1-2 punch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWmaker Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I'm sure Mr. Parcells knows something about Barber's value and more importantly, knows something about Jerry's thoughts on Barber and what Jerry thinks about jumping onto the #1 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goopster24 Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 I'm sure Mr. Parcells knows something about Barber's value and more importantly, knows something about Jerry's thoughts on Barber and what Jerry thinks about jumping onto the #1 pick. +1. Great point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 This would be asinine, even for Jerry Jones: McFadden is unproven, Julius Jones is gone & MB3 is pretty solid (to say the least). He knows enough to not play roulette with the RB spot. Plus, there's no guarantee McFadden wouldn't slip past 4 anyways, thus lowering the price. Also is Ronnie Brown hurt that badly? I know they're keeping RWilliams as well, whatever that's worth at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 As a Raider fan, this idea sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 POSTED 12:52 p.m. EST, January 27, 2008'BOYS TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THE FINS? ESPN's Chris Mortensen suggested during a special edition of Sunday NFL Countdown that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is eyeing the possibility of swinging a trade with the Dolphins for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 draft. Such a deal would allow the 'Boys to bag running back Darren McFadden, who played college football at Jones' alma mater of Arkansas. Per Mort, any such deal would have to include the rights to Cowboys running back Marion Barber, who is slated to be a restricted free agent. To make it happen, the Cowboys would have to work out a sign-and-trade deal before Barber gets a chance to ink an offer sheet that would force the Cowboys to match the terms or let him go in exchange for compensation. Thus, the safest bet for the 'Boys would be to tender Barber at the highest possible level, which would force any team that signs him to give up a first-round pick and a third-round pick. Those extra picks then could be used to sweeten the pot for the top spot in the draft. And it's clear that the Cowboys are going to have to find a way to enhance the two first-rounders that they can offer up for the No. 1 pick. Under the revised draft order, the Cowboys pick at No. 22 (from Cleveland) and at No. 28. Under the trade chart, the No. 22 overall pick is worth 780 points and the No. 28 selection is worth 660 points. The No. 1 selection has a value of 3,000 points; thus, the Cowboys would be a whopping 1,560 points short. Though the trade chart arguably needs to be adjusted to reflect the fact that the enormous financial investment that is now required when using the top pick makes the prospects of a move up even more fraught with risk, the Fins could justify the 1,560-point gap by placing that value on Barber, who coupled with Ronnie Brown could give Miami a deadly one-two punch in the backfield. Some readers think that the framework for a deal is already in place, and was part of the unspoken understanding that allowed the Dolphins to have their way with the Dallas front office and coaching staff. If that's true it wouldn't surprise us. Jones surely covets McFadden, and our guess is that he is willing to do whatever is necessary to get him. Link Mortenson must be sniffing glue. No freakin' way this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTheWebToedBoy Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 This would be asinine, even for Jerry Jones: McFadden is unproven, Julius Jones is gone & MB3 is pretty solid (to say the least). He knows enough to not play roulette with the RB spot. Plus, there's no guarantee McFadden wouldn't slip past 4 anyways, thus lowering the price. Also is Ronnie Brown hurt that badly? I know they're keeping RWilliams as well, whatever that's worth at this point. Remember, this is the same owner that fired a coach that handed him back-to-back Superbowls...... Nothing is to asinine for Jerry Jones And what the Cowboys need is a legit #2 WR, CBs and a good Safety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig devilz Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Parcells has his mitts in this one, if its true.... i think it's a bs move for the Cowboys...they should focus on why, with that much talent, they fell apart down the stretch and under achieved and, i dont wanna face Brown and Barber twice a year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyPaws Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 A life long Dolphins fan here, my buddy hard core Cowboys fan has "offered" this deal to me since midway through the season except he offered Jones not Barber. Include Barber and I sign now, no Barber no deal, take the OT and solidify things up front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Remember, this is the same owner that fired a coach that handed him back-to-back Superbowls...... Nothing is to asinine for Jerry Jones And what the Cowboys need is a legit #2 WR, CBs and a good Safety Exactly what I was thinking when I posted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Remember, this is the same owner that fired a coach that handed him back-to-back Superbowls...... Nothing is to asinine for Jerry Jones And what the Cowboys need is a legit #2 WR, CBs and a good Safety That was more of a personality clash between two old college roommates. While I get where you're coming from his biggest boneheaded move (quincy carter) pales in comparison to the type of moves Dan Snyder makes, and this sounds more like something Snyder would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 It's not that ridiculous, folks. If MBIII were actually under contract, it would be one thing. But he's a UFA, and he's obviously priced himself out of the Cowboys' plans. So, for Jerry Jones, adding Barber is like adding nothing at all. For Parcells, it's great, because values Barber more and will pay him accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip_Side Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We already have Brown, I don't know why we would need Barber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) It's not that ridiculous, folks. If MBIII were actually under contract, it would be one thing. But he's a UFA, and he's obviously priced himself out of the Cowboys' plans. So, for Jerry Jones, adding Barber is like adding nothing at all. For Parcells, it's great, because values Barber more and will pay him accordingly. I'm pretty sure MB III is a RESTRICTED FA. JJ is an unrestricted but MBIII is a restricted FA. Let me find the link real quick. Yeah, here it is. "Marion Barber, RFA, Dallas Cowboys Dallas won’t let Barber go anywhere. He’s grown into one of the league’s best at gaining yards after first contact and runs with a mean streak. He’s rushed for 981 yards on 198 carries this season, boasting an average of five yards per rushing attempt. He’s also been able to play a role in the passing game with 275 yards receiving. He has 12 total touchdowns this season, following up his 2006 total of 16 touchdowns. The young running back could someday soon be the feature back in Dallas, and his 2007 Pro Bowl selection will not be his last." Edited January 28, 2008 by 'canes2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We already have Brown, I don't know why we would need Barber. I have a feeling our new offense will be looking at 30+ running plays a game. Depending on how Ronnie Brown heals from his injury, we will need more than one featured back in the arsenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Does anyone think McFadden is worth 2 1s, with the talent at RB in this class. Seems there are 3 or maybe 5 RBs with similar talent, 3 of which without the hype. Just seem to think Barber is proven at this level, and with other clear needs, Dallas should maximize its resources, not eliminate them for any small upgrade one might think McFadden is over Barber. Yeah, this would be a moranic move for the 'Boys. Dorey, you got a comment on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) This is the NFL, not the NBA. A "sign and trade" doesn't work, because the signing team (Cowboys) would have to take an immediate hit on their salary cap for the full signing bonus the moment the trade clears. Then they would have to fork over another bonus to McFadden at #1. Now, if Barber agreed to a contract with the Dolphins to facilitate a trade, that is possible. But a sign and trade is just dumb and no NFL team would do that. It makes the story less credible to me. Edited January 28, 2008 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 This is the NFL, not the NBA. A "sign and trade" doesn't work, because the signing team (Cowboys) would have to take an immediate hit on their salary cap for the full signing bonus the moment the trade clears. Then they would have to fork over another bonus to McFadden at #1. Now, if Barber agreed to a contract with the Dolphins to facilitate a trade, that is possible. But a sign and trade is just dumb and no NFL team would do that. It makes the story less credible to me. Good call.... is it me or has Mort been less credible in recent years? Like he's jumping the gun far too much these days, trying to make the "big story". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Yeah, this would be a moranic move for the 'Boys. Dorey, you got a comment on this? The talk about McFadden started last year so I would not be surprised to see Dallas try to swing a deal where they net McFadden who could be combined with Barber much like Jones was. Jones is gone - he is a UFA and even he says he doesn't want to play in Dallas in 2008. That is fortunate since DAL doesn't want him back. I would not be surprised at all to see Dallas try to end up with a Barber/McFadden backfield. That might end up pretty good if McFadden doesn't McFlop. But I truly do not see them letting Barber go. He is just a RFA and the team has already said they are working on re-signing him. So any deal with MIA might include players, but I would be very surprised to see Barber allowed to leave. Just cannot see it. Another thing - one of the biggest Parcel-isms that Jerry Jones has bought into is to not draft a rookie wideout high ever. Do not expect much out of them. The Cowboys are convinced that you can buy your experienced WR as a FA (hence Glenn and Owens) and be better off trying to groom some player who will underperform for a couple of years and then demand big money and leave anyway. DAL will no doubt get a WR (or 2 or 3) in the draft, but I would be surprised to see them take one earlier than 3 or 4th round. Sure Owens and Glenn are ancient, but JJ will just go buy experience at WR rather than try to groom a rookie for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 1) Consider the source. Mort is a shill who doesn't verify sources' material and as such is used badly (and willingly) by NFL management. 2) The amount of disrespect for Barber is appalling. What the guy has done despite having to share time with that turd Julius Jones is top notch stuff. If he had been given full time work in his career, we'd be talking about a top 5 RB here. 3) 2 #1s & Barber for the first pick overall is assinine - even if McFadden turns out to be the next LT. 4) Jerry Jones is stupid enough to do something just like this. When he hasn't been held in check by Jimmy Johnson or Parcells, the lack of credible decision making by Jones borders on being Snyder-esque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We already have Brown, I don't know why we would need Barber. Dude Brown blew out his knee pretty badly half way through the season. Those take about a year to heal so I wouldn't expect much of him at least early next year if not for most of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Jesus Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) JJ has has had a Viagra induced hard on for McFadden for a while now. What is crazy about this whole situation is that Dallas has to KNOW that the last thing Miami needs is another RB - Ronnie Brown - Ricky Williams - Chatman - Booker - Gado, etc. That is the only position they don't need help with. Why would Dallas think Miami is going to take McFadden? Why wouldn't Dallas trade for the #2 or #3 pick instead? How does Parcells have leverage in this situation given the fact Miami doesn't need a RB and will not be drafting RunDMC? Something is really fishy with this entire situation and I think it all started with a "greasy handshake" agreement between Jerry Jones and Bill Parcellls here . . . Jeff Ireland. Parcells wanted him. Jerry Jones kept saying that Ireland was under contract and was signed through the 2008 draft. He didn't want to lose Ireland and all the info they had put togther for the draft. He was quoted as saying he didn't want any of the secrets or players that they favored to just walk out the door to Miamii. The next thing you know Ireland is immediately hired by Miami and then JJ is quoted as saying he's "satisfied" that losing Ireland would NO longer compromise the Dallas draft. This is when the runmors started that Miami & Dallas had already worked out a trade for the #1 pick. This is EXACTLY what Miami needs for the upcoming draft. Trade the #1 for more picks and rebuild the entire defense. Edit to add: Miami needs PICKS - not MB. Edited January 28, 2008 by Fantasy Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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