Bronco Billy Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 well, clearly there's no chance in hell the courts are going to rule any of this unconstitutional. I don't think anyone would seriously argue otherwise. but the point I would make is that we've definitely gone pretty far afield from the type of government the founders envisioned, and intended to codify with the constitution. the 10th amendment indicates that intention pretty emphatically, even if, as you point out, the courts have completely neutered it as far as any practical application. Harrumph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 http://www.mcclatchydc.com/215/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Just wanted to let you know I got my bonus today. Was it really neccessary to take 58% in taxes to support your crack habit? I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Row Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Dear Osama Hussein Barack Hitler, Just wanted to let you know I got my bonus today. Was it really neccessary to take 58% in taxes to support your crack habit? In the immortal words of The Greatest President in History's wife, "Just say NO!". Anyways, I hope you use the money for good....like blowing up commies and not for feeding the lazy poor. How does it feel knowing Reagan on Alzheimers had more common sense than you'll ever possess? Anyways, I'll check in tomorrow and see if you've stolen anymore of my monies to give to those desperate millionaire bankers and hedge fund managers. Thanks, Tim C"ocaine's a helluva drug" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 The 10th Amendment has been dead since Carter v. Carter Coal Co., 298 U.S. 238 (1936). I know the Constitution claims that the federal government is one of limited powers, but centuries of Supreme Court jurisprudence have castrated that truism. Like it or hate it, that's the current state of the law. As far as the "constitutionality" of all this, Congress has the ability to do just about whatever it wants pursuant to the Commerce Clause. If Congress passes bailout laws that allow government investment in private companies, then the President has the authority to carry out those laws. There is only once case since 1937 that has held that Congress exceeded the scope of its ability to regulate interstate commerce. Moreover, Congress' spending powers are virtually unlimited. United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1 (1936). Thus, Congress is free to spend on equity investments in private companies - or condition such spending - however it so chooses. The Illegal, Unconstitutional Bush-Obama Auto Bailout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) The Illegal, Unconstitutional Bush-Obama Auto Bailout If what you are trying to say is that the plain language of TARP doesn't allow bailout money to go to the auto makers because they aren't "financial institutions" I can get on board with that. Congress can't delegate its legislative function to any other branch (i.e., the executive branch) to amend the terms of that legislation. But, as a practical matter, I do not believe the Supreme Court has curbed executive authority on "nondelegation" grounds, well, ever. At least not in the last 100 years or so. But at least the non-delegation argument has some merit; its certainly not an argument I'd previously considered. Still, all my prior comments remain accurate. Congress can give money to pretty much anyone it wants to, and the President is authorized to enforce any such laws. So if at some point in the future Congress wants to retroactively authorize TARP money to go to automakers this will be much ado about nothing, both practically and legally. ETA: such efforts did pass the House, but failed in the Senate, a few months ago. Edited April 1, 2009 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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westvirginia Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Is there any doubt that's really the way it would work? :shakeshead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 the point I would make is that we've definitely gone pretty far afield from the type of government the founders envisioned, and intended to codify with the constitution. Isn't that what people have been saying since 2001 and you've been arguing the opposite? I believe on several occasions, people even said "Be careful, because this won't seem so awesome when your party is no longer in power." I mean... what else can a reasonable democrat say but "suck it" at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Isn't that what people have been saying since 2001 and you've been arguing the opposite? I believe on several occasions, people even said "Be careful, because this won't seem so awesome when your party is no longer in power." I mean... what else can a reasonable democrat say but "suck it" at this point? And you're points are very valid, at the same time pointing out that these "reasonable democrats" are no better than their heffalump alter-ego's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Dear B to the H to the O, I hope you are enjoying your trip to Commieland this week. I have to be brief because I'm working extra hard this week to do my part to save those rich bankers from ruin. I know the Queen enjoyed the IPod. I loved her reaction of "I love to pop and lock to . Brilliant. Who doesn't, yer highness? I still think the Spanish guy is wondering what a "blunt" is and why he should pass it to the African-American on his left. Por favor lost in translacion. The Spanish are mostly Mexican so he'll figure it out soon enough. Remember, you know you're a Socialist Commie if a bunch of French are telling you you're spending way too much. Anyways, have fun and don't bring home anything like Soup did on his trip to Amsterdam. Tim C"ant afford a cassette Walkman with these taxes" Edited April 2, 2009 by TimC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Dear B to the H to the O, I hope you are enjoying your trip to Commieland this week. I have to be brief because I'm working extra hard this week to do my part to save those rich bankers from ruin. I know the Queen enjoyed the IPod. I loved her reaction of "I love to pop and lock to . Brilliant. Who doesn't, yer highness? I still think the Spanish guy is wondering what a "blunt" is and why he should pass it to the African-American on his left. Por favor lost in translacion. The Spanish are mostly Mexican so he'll figure it out soon enough. Remember, you know you're a Socialist Commie if a bunch of French are telling you you're spending way too much. Anyways, have fun and don't bring home anything like Soup did on his trip to Amsterdam. Tim C"ant afford a cassette Walkman with these taxes" Keep 'em, coming Timmay - you're on a roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 And you're points are very valid, at the same time pointing out that these "reasonable democrats" are no better than their heffalump alter-ego's. Bingo. When the dem worshipers reailize the folly of saying, "Our brand of SUCK is so much better than yours!" - maybe we'll be ready as a country to throw all of those ass clowns out of our government. Wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I mean... what else can a reasonable democrat say but "suck it" at this point? Any reasonable American, whether Dem or Repub or any other party other than one that has a socialist agenda, ought to be saying, "Please pass the vaseline". We're all getting screwed over with this power drunken Congress/President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Dear B to the H to the O, I hope you are enjoying your trip to Commieland this week. I have to be brief because I'm working extra hard this week to do my part to save those rich bankers from ruin. I know the Queen enjoyed the IPod. I loved her reaction of "I love to pop and lock to . Brilliant. Who doesn't, yer highness? I still think the Spanish guy is wondering what a "blunt" is and why he should pass it to the African-American on his left. Por favor lost in translacion. The Spanish are mostly Mexican so he'll figure it out soon enough. Remember, you know you're a Socialist Commie if a bunch of French are telling you you're spending way too much. Anyways, have fun and don't bring home anything like Soup did on his trip to Amsterdam. Tim C"ant afford a cassette Walkman with these taxes" This is beautiful Timmay! They gave 80 year-old British royalty a flippin' i-pod. Who's the ignorant boob came up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 And you're points are very valid, at the same time pointing out that these "reasonable democrats" are no better than their heffalump alter-ego's. I'll give it a full 6 months before I start to panic. Republicans shrugged it for 8 years, and I don't think they've figured out where they messed up yet. Learning takes time. Any reasonable American, whether Dem or Repub or any other party other than one that has a socialist agenda, ought to be saying, "Please pass the vaseline". We're all getting screwed over with this power drunken Congress/President. This power drunken president? This one? See why I don't care if it stops yet, wv? Lets push it back to a year before I give a crap now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 This power drunken president? This one? See why I don't care if it stops yet, wv? Lets push it back to a year before I give a crap now. For some reason, it's apparently okay for a President to suck mightily as long as he's from one's party, whereas the last President who did the same things on a lesser magnitude from the other party ought to be brought up on criminal charges. Right now, I don't see a hell of a lot of difference between the two parties, other than one performs its rape of the American people in super-size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 For some reason, it's apparently okay for a President to suck mightily as long as he's from one's party, whereas the last President who did the same things on a lesser magnitude from the other party ought to be brought up on criminal charges. Right now, I don't see a hell of a lot of difference between the two parties, other than one performs its rape of the American people in super-size. Here's a difference War, huh, yeah What is it good for Absolutely nothing Uh-huh War, huh, yeah What is it good for Absolutely nothing Say it again, y'all War, huh, good God What is it good for Absolutely nothing Listen to me Ohhh, war, I despise Because it means destruction Of innocent lives War means tears To thousands of mothers eyes When their sons go to fight And lose their lives I said, war, huh Good God, y'all What is it good for Absolutely nothing Say it again War, whoa, Lord What is it good for Absolutely nothing Listen to me War, it ain't nothing But a heartbreaker War, friend only to the undertaker Ooooh, war It's an enemy to all mankind The point of war blows my mind War has caused unrest Within the younger generation Induction then destruction Who wants to die Aaaaah, war-huh Good God y'all What is it good for Absolutely nothing Say it, say it, say it War, huh What is it good for Absolutely nothing Listen to me War, huh, yeah What is it good for Absolutely nothing Uh-huh War, huh, yeah What is it good for Absolutely nothing Say it again y'all War, huh, good God What is it good for Absolutely nothing Listen to me War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker War, it's got one friend That's the undertaker Ooooh, war, has shattered Many a young mans dreams Made him disabled, bitter and mean Life is much to short and precious To spend fighting wars these days War can't give life It can only take it away Ooooh, war, huh Good God y'all What is it good for Absolutely nothing Say it again War, whoa, Lord What is it good for Absolutely nothing Listen to me War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker War, friend only to the undertaker Peace, love and understanding Tell me, is there no place for them today They say we must fight to keep our freedom But Lord knows there's got to be a better way Ooooooh, war, huh Good God y'all What is it good for You tell me Say it, say it, say it, say it War, huh Good God y'all What is it good for Stand up and shout it Nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 War, huhGood God y'all What is it good for Stand up and shout it Nothing Can you have this written in Arabic, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Here's a difference Socialism, huh, yeah What is it good for Absolutely nothing Uh-huh Socialism, huh, yeah What is it good for Absolutely nothing Say it again, y'all i kinda like it. and its true too!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 i kinda like it. and its true too!!! Socialism has too many syllables to fit in there. Typical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Can you have this written in Arabic, please? For you, anything. الحرب ، وهوه ، نعم ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق اه - هوه الحرب ، وهوه ، نعم ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق أقول مرة أخرى ، y'all الحرب ، وهوه ، وحسن الله ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق إسمعني Ohhh ، والحرب ، وأنا يحتقر لأنه يعني تدمير الأرواح البريئة الحرب وسيلة الدموع لآلاف من عيون الأمهات عندما يذهب أبنائهم لمكافحة ويفقدون حياتهم قلت ، والحرب ، وهوه فسبحان الله ، y'all ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق أقول مرة أخرى الحرب ، قف يا رب ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق إسمعني الحرب ، لا شيء لكن heartbreaker الحرب ، والصديق الوحيد لمتعهد Ooooh الحرب انه عدو للبشرية جمعاء نقطة الحرب ضربات ذهني وتسببت الحرب في الاضطرابات في غضون جيل الشباب ثم التوجيهي الشامل من يريد ان يموت Aaaaah الحرب هوه فسبحان الله y'all ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق ويقول ويقول ، ويقول الحرب ، وهوه ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق إسمعني الحرب ، وهوه ، نعم ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق اه - هوه الحرب ، وهوه ، نعم ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق أقول مرة أخرى y'all الحرب ، وهوه ، وحسن الله ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق إسمعني الحرب ، وأنها ليست سوى heartbreaker الحرب ، وأنها حصلت على صديق واحد فإن هذا هو متعهد Ooooh ، والحرب ، وقد حطم كثير من الشباب مان الأحلام وقد جعلت منه والمعوقين ، والمريرة ، ويعني حياة الكثير على المدى القصير والثمينة خوض الحروب لقضاء هذه الايام الحرب لا يمكن أن تعطي الحياة فإنه لا يمكن إلا أن أعتبر بعيدا Ooooh ، والحرب ، وهوه فسبحان الله y'all ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق أقول مرة أخرى الحرب ، قف يا رب ما هو جيد ل لا شيء على الإطلاق إسمعني الحرب ، وأنها ليست سوى heartbreaker الحرب ، والصديق الوحيد لمتعهد السلام والمحبة والتفاهم قل لي ، هل هناك أي مكان لهم اليوم يقولون انه يجب علينا أن نكافح للحفاظ على حريتنا ولكن الرب يعرف هناك يجب أن يكون أفضل وسيلة Ooooooh ، والحرب ، وهوه فسبحان الله y'all ما هو جيد ل تخبرني ويقول ويقول ، ويقول ، ويقول الحرب ، وهوه فسبحان الله y'all ما هو جيد ل بالوقوف والصياح عليه لا شيء Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Oooooh (and variants), aaaah, heartbreaker and y'all aren't arabic? Edited April 2, 2009 by Big John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Oooooh (and variants), aaaah, heartbreaker and y'all aren't arabic? Not bad at short notice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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