loaf Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Yahoo is scoring it as Special Teams...I'll take the points any way I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delfamdelfam Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 If you had Crabtree as your TE than he should get the points, but obviously GB special teams should also get created. Like others where saying, both units should get credit if it is some type of combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavinRJohnson Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I cannot believe this thread. It's a 4th down TD pass. What is the problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 FG are kicked by the special team unit, do those count as special team scores? If not why, the special team unit was on the field? Â I was waiting on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 FG are kicked by the special team unit, do those count as special team scores? If not why, the special team unit was on the field? Â did the ball change possession? no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) OK then, define "special teams" in an iron-clad, there's $1000 on the line in the FF championships manner. Â In the normal course of events in a game, If a team lines up in what is considered a "kicking game" formation, be it a punt, FG, or kickoff, it is a special teams play. Â Now I'm sure there will be someone who can poke a hole in that somewhere, but for my money, that's my line of thought. Â Edit to add "kicking game" extra points as well Edited September 14, 2012 by Cunning Runt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenzal rhomb Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Let me axe this - since people are saying the ball hasnt been kicked is an issue. If the punter muffs the snap - doesnt kick the ball and the other team picks it up and runs it in - is it defense or a special teams score?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Let me axe this - since people are saying the ball hasnt been kicked is an issue. If the punter muffs the snap - doesnt kick the ball and the other team picks it up and runs it in - is it defense or a special teams score?? Defensive TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Let me axe this - since people are saying the ball hasnt been kicked is an issue. If the punter muffs the snap - doesnt kick the ball and the other team picks it up and runs it in - is it defense or a special teams score?? Â Special Teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 In the normal course of events in a game, If a team lines up in what is considered a "kicking game" formation, be it a punt, FG, or kickoff, it is a special teams play.  Now I'm sure there will be someone who can poke a hole in that somewhere, but for my money, that's my line of thought.  Edit to add "kicking game" extra points as well  So then the kicking of FG would give points to the special teams unit, right? Extra point kicks too, and 2 pt conversions?  Remember det said iron-clad, not open to many special circumstances and exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 In my league we only count Return Tds for the D. If its counted as special teams and you had say crosby and he threw it to driver. And you had Crosby, Driver and the green bay D. You would get 3 tds on your team from one play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 They do in most if not all of my leagues ... Â The never did in my leagues back in the day that I played with team D/ST. Don't know about the last 10 years since I have only been playing IDP. There is no real controversy in IDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) If you had Crabtree as your TE than he should get the points, but obviously GB special teams should also get created. Like others where saying, both units should get credit if it is some type of combination. Â Personally I see no logic in scoring a play twice as some are suggesting. In the end it doesn't matter I suppose. If that is what your league does and everybody knows that, well then it is fair. Edited September 14, 2012 by Ditkaless Wonders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Â WR's or RB's never get credited with returns for TD's, atleast in all the leagues I've played in. It always goes to the D/ST. Â They do in 2 of the leagues I play in. All players can score for completions, incompletions, carries, sack yardage, and various other action that benefit or detract from their team either directly through the action or by enhancing/diminishing field position. Â You're a good FFer. You ought to try one of these full IDP, complete contribution scoring leagues. They are a blast. Â Back to the point at hand, this seems to me to be a pretty simple issue of using NFL designations per the rules to determine what kind of play occurred. To ignore the rules in order to completely change the nature of the play seems odd to me, but if a league chose to do so this was certainly a predictable play in that fake field goals and punts occur often enough that if the league is going to go directly against the NFL rulings that it ought to be codified in the league rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Wait, are some leagues now drafting team defense and then team special teams as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 So then the kicking of FG would give points to the special teams unit, right? Extra point kicks too, and 2 pt conversions? Â Remember det said iron-clad, not open to many special circumstances and exceptions. Â I don't care what Detlef said for. We're talking fantasy football here - not by the book NFL football. How I view a Special Teams play and how I score it can be and are two different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I don't care what Detlef said for. We're talking fantasy football here - not by the book NFL football. How I view a Special Teams play and how I score it can be and are two different things. Â Absolutely. You are definately entitled to make your scoring rules reflect how you view the game. The problem only arises when ones league rules did not forsee the situation. In that case I don't believe you should score it how you see it, but rather how the NFL does. It just seems less arbitrary to me to default to league rules when you have not affirmatively addressed a matter. Â BTW, I do understand your position. It is not without some appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Wait, are some leagues now drafting team defense and then team special teams as well? Â I suppose some are, we do team defense only, no special team scoring. Indidual players do get credit for punt/kick return TDs (Hester, Cribbs, etc.) Â I don't care what Detlef said for. We're talking fantasy football here - not by the book NFL football. How I view a Special Teams play and how I score it can be and are two different things. Â That is fine, but how you define special teams scores needs to coincide with what your leauge does. When these dicussions come up there is usually a group of owners with the team D/ST (in this case GB) who think they should get the TD, when their leauge rules don't clearly state that. And since the NFL (the leauge who our fantasy game is based on) scores that as a OFF TD and not a ST TD, then these folks are out of luck. Â Basically if you want this to be a ST score, put it in your rules, and you'll probably have to score it manually because the league management sites (even MFL presumably) doesn't count it that way. Â ETA what DW said, absent this being specifically covered in your league's rules/scoring, it is an offensive TD, not a special teams TD. Edited September 14, 2012 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Offensive TD unless clearly specified otherwise in your rules. I’m really surprised there is much debate about this as it happens every couple years?  Does your league award your special teams points for kicking field goals? There is your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Once the snaps Playtime Percentage is updated in the Game Book it will show that Masthay played in ONE offensive snap(11 total snaps, 1 offense, 10 ST)...there is your definitive answer. Â EDIT: here is a copy of the gamebook (not available via NFL.com yet[which should be updated later today or tomorrow] Link {go to page 16, which is the last page}) Â EDIT2: It has been changed to a special teams play in game book Edited September 15, 2012 by keggerz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 The never did in my leagues back in the day that I played with team D/ST. Don't know about the last 10 years since I have only been playing IDP. There is no real controversy in IDP. Â Â What does this have to do with IDP? No defensive players were on the field. In IDP nobody gets the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 What does this have to do with IDP? No defensive players were on the field. In IDP nobody gets the points. Â What it has to do with IDP is that you don't have to worry about stuff like this...everyone gets what they score, end of story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 What does this have to do with IDP? No defensive players were on the field. In IDP nobody gets the points. Â Â Because in IDP leagues points go to players and not units. If you had crabtree starting he gets those points. If you had Mastay starting he gets points. No worries about units, just players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012   Absolutely. You are definately entitled to make your scoring rules reflect how you view the game. The problem only arises when ones league rules did not forsee the situation. In that case I don't believe you should score it how you see it, but rather how the NFL does. It just seems less arbitrary to me to default to league rules when you have not affirmatively addressed a matter.  BTW, I do understand your position. It is not without some appeal.   I agree wholeheartedly with my Cutler owning GB here. Oh - and one of those cigars was a great way to start my day off. Many thanks  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Oh, and fwiw, I am happy as a pig in $hit that the NFL is now publishing snaps played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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