Chavez Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Don't forget about Sterling, R Brooks, K Jackson, Edgar, and Dorsey (the latter 2 were big compliments to the passing game as RB's). Jackson was a TE. Entirely different animal, and IMO GB has had solid or better TEs for the bulk of Favre's tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I won't disagree with this, but doesn't preclude what Favre could do in the last 2 minutes of halves - which is one of the essentials in measuring "clutch". ....but over the last decade, with two of GB's stronger teams since the 96-98 squad, Favre has downright choked in playoff crunch time (the 4th and 26 game and the '07 NFC title game). IMO that diminishes his stock considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 ....but over the last decade, with two of GB's stronger teams since the 96-98 squad, Favre has downright choked in playoff crunch time (the 4th and 26 game and the '07 NFC title game). IMO that diminishes his stock considerably. Â yeah, I don't know who might keep such a stat or where you might find it, but favre probably has the most 4th quarter interceptions in history by a country mile. it was kinda boom or bust with him late in games, and more bust than boom in the big games in the last decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Favre needs to be on this list. Anybody who has ever played a down of football before knows why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Favre needs to be on this list. Anybody who has ever played a down of football before knows why. Â Oh crap. I'm wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I don't know if they deserve top 10, but you oculd certainly make a case for Reich and Hostetler. If you can get your backup to step up in the playoffs, that is pretty darn clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 yeah, I don't know who might keep such a stat or where you might find it, but favre probably has the most 4th quarter interceptions in history by a country mile. it was kinda boom or bust with him late in games, and more bust than boom in the big games in the last decade. Â QBs TDs/INts 4th quarter 2002-2008 Â Â NAME YRs CMP ATT PaTD INT TD/att INT/attPeyton Manning 2002--2008 580 867 49 21 0.057 0.024Tom Brady 2002--2007 448 724 44 19 0.061 0.026Brett Favre 2002--2008 605 989 43 46 0.043 0.047Drew Brees 2002--2008 564 923 42 32 0.046 0.035Trent Green 2002--2008 418 670 36 22 0.054 0.033Jake Delhomme 2002--2008 402 666 35 20 0.053 0.030Marc Bulger 2002--2008 487 830 35 33 0.042 0.040Donovan McNabb 2002--2008 406 695 32 12 0.046 0.017Jon Kitna 2002--2008 450 748 30 32 0.040 0.043Eli Manning 2004--2008 351 610 30 23 0.049 0.038Daunte Culpepper 2002--2008 423 670 30 23 0.045 0.034Aaron Brooks 2002--2006 332 611 29 20 0.047 0.033Drew Bledsoe 2002--2006 322 573 28 22 0.049 0.038Matt Hasselbeck 2002--2008 414 681 27 23 0.040 0.034Chad Pennington 2002--2008 427 677 26 24 0.038 0.035Kurt Warner 2002--2008 362 570 25 13 0.044 0.023Kerry Collins 2002--2008 428 769 25 23 0.033 0.030Brad Johnson 2002--2008 262 442 24 13 0.054 0.029Philip Rivers 2004--2008 214 356 24 9 0.067 0.025Tony Romo 2005--2008 199 311 23 11 0.074 0.035Joey Harrington 2002--2007 401 721 23 23 0.032 0.032Carson Palmer 2004--2008 320 548 23 21 0.042 0.038David Carr 2002--2008 365 629 22 25 0.035 0.040Ben Roethlisberger 2004--2008 302 482 22 21 0.046 0.044Jeff Garcia 2002--2008 350 590 21 19 0.036 0.032Steve McNair 2002--2007 351 583 20 17 0.034 0.029Jake Plummer 2002--2006 297 526 19 21 0.036 0.040Byron Leftwich 2003--2008 260 452 19 15 0.042 0.033Sage Rosenfels 2002--2008 148 225 19 12 0.084 0.053David Garrard 2002--2008 237 398 17 12 0.043 0.030Mark Brunell 2002--2006 187 337 17 3 0.050 0.009Jay Cutler 2006--2008 191 332 15 9 0.045 0.027Brian Griese 2002--2008 269 435 14 22 0.032 0.051Josh McCown 2002--2008 186 339 14 18 0.041 0.053Kyle Boller 2003--2007 204 365 14 12 0.038 0.033Patrick Ramsey 2002--2007 149 256 14 9 0.055 0.035Gus Frerotte 2002--2008 162 302 12 15 0.040 0.050Rich Gannon 2002--2004 151 235 12 8 0.051 0.034Kelly Holcomb 2002--2007 162 260 12 12 0.046 0.046Vinny Testaverde 2002--2007 174 299 12 14 0.040 0.047Derek Anderson 2006--2008 143 274 12 8 0.044 0.029Tim Rattay 2002--2007 148 261 12 15 0.046 0.057Michael Vick 2002--2006 197 385 11 12 0.029 0.031Damon Huard 2003--2008 108 178 11 7 0.062 0.039Jason Campbell 2006--2008 181 315 11 8 0.035 0.025Matt Schaub 2004--2008 150 247 10 10 0.040 0.040Quincy Carter 2002--2004 123 215 9 8 0.042 0.037Billy Volek 2003--2007 105 176 9 4 0.051 0.023Vince Young 2006--2008 109 204 9 10 0.044 0.049Tarvaris Jackson 2006--2008 100 170 9 3 0.053 0.018Jeff Blake 2002--2005 116 213 8 10 0.038 0.047Aaron Rodgers 2005--2008 107 179 8 6 0.045 0.034Trent Edwards 2007--2008 92 167 8 8 0.048 0.048Seneca Wallace 2005--2008 83 139 8 5 0.058 0.036Shaun Hill 2005--2008 88 133 8 2 0.060 0.015J.P. Losman 2004--2008 178 298 8 12 0.027 0.040Tim Couch 2002--2003 102 176 7 7 0.040 0.040Chris Redman 2002--2007 71 117 7 4 0.060 0.034Alex Smith 2005--2007 123 237 7 12 0.030 0.051Jamie Martin 2002--2007 81 122 7 5 0.057 0.041Trent Dilfer 2002--2007 117 225 7 12 0.031 0.053Tommy Maddox 2002--2005 166 284 7 12 0.025 0.042 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QBs TDs/INts 4th quarter 2002-2008Â Â NAME YRs CMP ATT PaTD INT TD/att INT/attPeyton Manning 2002--2008 580 867 49 21 0.057 0.024Tom Brady 2002--2007 448 724 44 19 0.061 0.026Brett Favre 2002--2008 605 989 43 46 0.043 0.047Drew Brees 2002--2008 564 923 42 32 0.046 0.035Trent Green 2002--2008 418 670 36 22 0.054 0.033Jake Delhomme 2002--2008 402 666 35 20 0.053 0.030Marc Bulger 2002--2008 487 830 35 33 0.042 0.040Donovan McNabb 2002--2008 406 695 32 12 0.046 0.017Jon Kitna 2002--2008 450 748 30 32 0.040 0.043Eli Manning 2004--2008 351 610 30 23 0.049 0.038Daunte Culpepper 2002--2008 423 670 30 23 0.045 0.034Aaron Brooks 2002--2006 332 611 29 20 0.047 0.033Drew Bledsoe 2002--2006 322 573 28 22 0.049 0.038Matt Hasselbeck 2002--2008 414 681 27 23 0.040 0.034Chad Pennington 2002--2008 427 677 26 24 0.038 0.035Kurt Warner 2002--2008 362 570 25 13 0.044 0.023Kerry Collins 2002--2008 428 769 25 23 0.033 0.030Brad Johnson 2002--2008 262 442 24 13 0.054 0.029Philip Rivers 2004--2008 214 356 24 9 0.067 0.025Tony Romo 2005--2008 199 311 23 11 0.074 0.035Joey Harrington 2002--2007 401 721 23 23 0.032 0.032Carson Palmer 2004--2008 320 548 23 21 0.042 0.038David Carr 2002--2008 365 629 22 25 0.035 0.040Ben Roethlisberger 2004--2008 302 482 22 21 0.046 0.044Jeff Garcia 2002--2008 350 590 21 19 0.036 0.032Steve McNair 2002--2007 351 583 20 17 0.034 0.029Jake Plummer 2002--2006 297 526 19 21 0.036 0.040Byron Leftwich 2003--2008 260 452 19 15 0.042 0.033Sage Rosenfels 2002--2008 148 225 19 12 0.084 0.053David Garrard 2002--2008 237 398 17 12 0.043 0.030Mark Brunell 2002--2006 187 337 17 3 0.050 0.009Jay Cutler 2006--2008 191 332 15 9 0.045 0.027Brian Griese 2002--2008 269 435 14 22 0.032 0.051Josh McCown 2002--2008 186 339 14 18 0.041 0.053Kyle Boller 2003--2007 204 365 14 12 0.038 0.033Patrick Ramsey 2002--2007 149 256 14 9 0.055 0.035Gus Frerotte 2002--2008 162 302 12 15 0.040 0.050Rich Gannon 2002--2004 151 235 12 8 0.051 0.034Kelly Holcomb 2002--2007 162 260 12 12 0.046 0.046Vinny Testaverde 2002--2007 174 299 12 14 0.040 0.047Derek Anderson 2006--2008 143 274 12 8 0.044 0.029Tim Rattay 2002--2007 148 261 12 15 0.046 0.057Michael Vick 2002--2006 197 385 11 12 0.029 0.031Damon Huard 2003--2008 108 178 11 7 0.062 0.039Jason Campbell 2006--2008 181 315 11 8 0.035 0.025Matt Schaub 2004--2008 150 247 10 10 0.040 0.040Quincy Carter 2002--2004 123 215 9 8 0.042 0.037Billy Volek 2003--2007 105 176 9 4 0.051 0.023Vince Young 2006--2008 109 204 9 10 0.044 0.049Tarvaris Jackson 2006--2008 100 170 9 3 0.053 0.018Jeff Blake 2002--2005 116 213 8 10 0.038 0.047Aaron Rodgers 2005--2008 107 179 8 6 0.045 0.034Trent Edwards 2007--2008 92 167 8 8 0.048 0.048Seneca Wallace 2005--2008 83 139 8 5 0.058 0.036Shaun Hill 2005--2008 88 133 8 2 0.060 0.015J.P. Losman 2004--2008 178 298 8 12 0.027 0.040Tim Couch 2002--2003 102 176 7 7 0.040 0.040Chris Redman 2002--2007 71 117 7 4 0.060 0.034Alex Smith 2005--2007 123 237 7 12 0.030 0.051Jamie Martin 2002--2007 81 122 7 5 0.057 0.041Trent Dilfer 2002--2007 117 225 7 12 0.031 0.053Tommy Maddox 2002--2005 166 284 7 12 0.025 0.042 Â Â So out of every 20 4th quarter throws Favre has one pick and one TD. That doesn't seem to be clutch looking at those numbers - seems average to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackshi17 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think if your going to suggest a different QB then you should also suggest which one would be dropped. That would get a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 How does Marino make this list? To me "clutch" means winning the big one, and Marino didn't. I think Marino is great, but I'm not sure I'd call him clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 How does Marino make this list? To me "clutch" means winning the big one, and Marino didn't. I think Marino is great, but I'm not sure I'd call him clutch. Â Yeah, when you consider all the Hall of Famers and All-Pros Marino played with.... ....uh, it's actually pretty amazing the Phins stayed competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Hard to give any list like this credence without naming Favre - who has clearly proven himself to be a master at the 2 minute drill. Favre over the last 4-6 years is why he isn't on the list. If we're talking Favre's first 10 or so years then yes, he should absolutely be on the list, but we have to take into account all of his meltdowns and mistakes as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutrun Jellies Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 10 years from now, Roethlisberger will be on this list ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 10 years from now, Roethlisberger will be on this list ... His previous SB performance, not so clutch. Â The '08 SB, on the other hand.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) Oh crap. I'm wrong... Â Â 10 years from now, Roethlisberger will be on this list ... Â Â Cant argue with this. He's got balls . He also has the look on his face that you want a qb to have when he is taking the field with the game on the line. His D and running game over the years were a major part of the Steelers succes but when you couple that with a clutch qb like big ben you get pretty awesome teams. I'm gonna go puke now Edited June 17, 2009 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009     Cant argue with this. He's got balls . He also has the look on his face that you want a qb to have when he is taking the field with the game on the line. His D and running game over the years were a major part of the Steelers succes but when you couple that with a clutch qb like big ben you get pretty awesome teams. I'm gonna go puke now  + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Despite winning just one of his first 15 NFL starts, Aikman went on to start a club-record 180 games (165 regular season) at quarterback and post a 105-75 (.583) record, which includes an impeccable 11-4 mark in the postseason - 3-0 in the Super Bowl. For his career, Aikman led the Cowboys from behind 16 times in the fourth quarter, including six times in the final two minutes. Another six times, he led the team to wins after the score was tied in the fourth quarter. Five of his game-winning drives came in overtime. In those 22 wins, Aikman was 146-of-214 (68.2%) for 1,888 yards (8.82 per attempt), 11 touchdowns, three interceptions and a 107.0 quarterback rating in the fourth quarter and overtime. In the postseason Aikman truly shined. His four 300-yard passing days were the third best total in NFL history (Montana-6, Fouts-5), and he holds the club records for postseason pass attempts (502), completions (320), yards (3,849), and completion percentage (63.7%). cowboys.com  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Aikman Aikman can't carry Staubach's jock. 'Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted June 18, 2009 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 I guess I shouldn't be surprised how many people couldn't grasp what "clutch QB" means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Aikman was 11-3 in the playoffs is in the Top 10 for almost every career and single game Super Bowl stats (16 categories at pro football reference including most interceptions a list in which he is not on, of the 15 "positive" categories they have, he is top 10 on 10 of the lists) including the #1 completion percentage for a career in the Super Bowl and has two of the top 10 completion percentage single games. 5 TD passes in the Super Bowl to 1 interception. Â That's clutch. Edited June 18, 2009 by Clubfoothead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Aikman was 11-3 in the playoffs is in the Top 10 for almost every career and single game Super Bowl stats (16 categories at pro football reference including most interceptions a list in which he is not on, of the 15 "positive" categories they have, he is top 10 on 10 of the lists) including the #1 completion percentage for a career in the Super Bowl and has two of the top 10 completion percentage single games. 5 TD passes in the Super Bowl to 1 interception. That's clutch. He's no Staubach!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I used to love watching Stabler, Blitnekoff, Branch, and Casper in the last two minutes of a game when they were down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Favre over the last 4-6 years is why he isn't on the list. If we're talking Favre's first 10 or so years then yes, he should absolutely be on the list, but we have to take into account all of his meltdowns and mistakes as well. Â Yeah. I didn't realize how bad his last 6 years were until I actually fished up the data. Apparently the brain trust in GB knew, though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I used to love watching Stabler, Blitnekoff, Branch, and Casper in the last two minutes of a game when they were down. Â Â They used to draw up plays in the dirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 You obviously either misread what I posted or intentionally misinterpreted it. I didn't say "most of the QBs on that list shouldn't be there". I did state that Favre qualified for the list based on his career performance in clutch situations - the INT vs NY in the conference finals not withstanding, and that Favre did what he did without nearly as much surrounding talent as some of the other names on that list.   How about the int against the Rams in overtime in the playoffs before that? How about his last-minute interception this year with the Jets that cost them a chance at their division? He's done it throughout his career...there's a reason why he's the NFL's all-time leader in interceptions, and it's not because he's "clutch." Being clutch is the exact opposite of a person who makes critical errors in judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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