Randall Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 im telling you guys, just give bush one nfl offseason to bulk up some and gain experience, and he will become a great back. willie parker put on about 10 or so pounds in the offseason has become one of the premiere backs in the league, running with a lot more power than last year. not only that, but give him some time to mature. he has all that speed and doesnt know how to handle it yet. i cant believe people were calling him a bust so quickly. Yeah before he even played. He is starting to use his blockers and dancing less in the backfield. I think he'll continue getting better. Houston should have drafted Bush or Vince Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 All I know is he's coming alive at just the right time!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdog Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 NO is using him very proficiently now. they get him the ball in space. as far as being a prototypical RB though, he hasn't shown that ability YET. he will in time. for now though he's a big play waiting to happen in the passing game. but please, no more comparisons to LT2 or Barry Sanders until he carries it 20 times out of the backfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 I love guys who think a player has proven he is a bonafide stud when the player puts together 2 consecutive good to great games after spending a prolonged stretch being nothing short of mediocre or worse. How easily some have forgotten that in the previous 6 games before his past 2 games, Bush was averging 31 ypg rushing, 30 ypg receiving, and had as many INTs as he had TDs. Michael Vick, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I love guys who think a player has proven he is a bonafide stud when the player puts together 2 consecutive good to great games after spending a prolonged stretch being nothing short of mediocre or worse. How easily some have forgotten that in the previous 6 games before his past 2 games, Bush was averging 31 ypg rushing, 30 ypg receiving, and had as many INTs as he had TDs. Read the title of the thread? Reads "is" not "was" a bust. Can recall way back when many thought Maroney was such a great back and so much better than Bush. FF wise give me Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 Read the title of the thread? Reads "is" not "was" a bust. Can recall way back when many thought Maroney was such a great back and so much better than Bush. FF wise give me Bush. FF wise, you can have Bush. I'll take Maroney in a heartbeat in a keeper/dynasty league. And please don't try to educate me on the title of a thread that I created, thanks. I distinctly remember 6 weeks ago when all the Vick psychophants were crawling out from under their rocks to beat their chests gleefully about how great a QB Vick was. I don't see many of them doing much crowing now. I can easily see the same thing happening with the Bush-lovers. Let's see him continue this performance for another 3 weeks & I'll show up here and happily eat crow. Right now - it's nothing more than a run of luck (and a HC who is royally screwing over his workhorse RB to stroke the over-hyped rookie, even though it's not hurting the team as far as wins/losses). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 FF wise, you can have Bush. I'll take Maroney in a heartbeat in a keeper/dynasty league. And please don't try to educate me on the title of a thread that I created, thanks. I distinctly remember 6 weeks ago when all the Vick psychophants were crawling out from under their rocks to beat their chests gleefully about how great a QB Vick was. I don't see many of them doing much crowing now. I can easily see the same thing happening with the Bush-lovers. Let's see him continue this performance for another 3 weeks & I'll show up here and happily eat crow. Right now - it's nothing more than a run of luck (and a HC who is royally screwing over his workhorse RB to stroke the over-hyped rookie, even though it's not hurting the team as far as wins/losses). He can luck me right to the championships if he wants to. 39 pts last week, 30 pts this week. F yeah, R Bush + Luck = mega-points. Keep em coming you over-hyped rookie bust. I LOVE IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I love guys who think a player has proven he is a bonafide stud when the player puts together 2 consecutive good to great games after spending a prolonged stretch being nothing short of mediocre or worse. How easily some have forgotten that in the previous 6 games before his past 2 games, Bush was averging 31 ypg rushing, 30 ypg receiving, and had as many INTs as he had TDs. Michael Vick, anyone? BB, please go back & watch this game again because your mind is clearly clouded with your own negativity. Please don't make Reggie have to break any more ankles just to prove you wrong. It's not fair to the players that actually have to be on the field with him. As an every down RB the jury will be out as long as Deuce is there. I'm hoping that will be for a very, very long time. But calling him a bust after the first 6 games is just as much a ridiculous notion as calling him the next coming of Barry Sanders after 2 big games. If you want to call him a glorified 3rd down back then I couldn't argue that, but I will say that if that is what he is then he's going to be the best 3rd down back that ever played the game and he will completely redefine that position. FF wise, you can have Bush. I'll take Maroney in a heartbeat in a keeper/dynasty league. I'd have to agree with that since next year the job will likely be all Maroney's. Bush will continue to share carries with Deuce and therefore limiting his consistancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 He can luck me right to the championships if he wants to. 39 pts last week, 30 pts this week. F yeah, R Bush + Luck = mega-points. Keep em coming you over-hyped rookie bust. I LOVE IT! Don't get me wrong - Bush owners ought to be ecstatic right now with the FF pts he is amassing. The only question is whether he can continue his two game streak of massive FF pts, or will he revert back to 20 yd rushing/20 yd receiving games next week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 FF wise, you can have Bush. I'll take Maroney in a heartbeat in a keeper/dynasty league. And please don't try to educate me on the title of a thread that I created, thanks. I distinctly remember 6 weeks ago when all the Vick psychophants were crawling out from under their rocks to beat their chests gleefully about how great a QB Vick was. That's smart to try and change the subject to Vick in hopes of getting some anti-Vick posters to hopefully come to your defense to say something so prejudice as to call a rookie a bust after scoring an average 30 points the last two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Don't get me wrong - Bush owners ought to be ecstatic right now with the FF pts he is amassing. The only question is whether he can continue his two game streak of massive FF pts, or will he revert back to 20 yd rushing/20 yd receiving games next week? I didn't give him much of a shot to do it 2 weeks in a row. If I can hang-on and win this week, he'll have secured me a bye next week, so he can revert back for one week only. Then I'll need him to go off again in weeks 15-17 (yes, we have a week #17 SB ). Catch Reggie Catch!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Did you guys see that short pass and run after the catch for a TD? The guy has moves that very very few people in the NFL could match. He's going to be fun to watch for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I can easily see the same thing happening with the Bush-lovers. Let's see him continue this performance for another 3 weeks & I'll show up here and happily eat crow. Right now - it's nothing more than a run of luck (and a HC who is royally screwing over his workhorse RB to stroke the over-hyped rookie, even though it's not hurting the team as far as wins/losses). See you in 3 weeks...as if 3 more weeks would determine whether he is a bust or not. And BTW, how do you call 21 carries for 111 yds "royally screwing over his workhorse RB to stroke the over-hyped rookie"? BB, you clearly are talking out of your rear. Deuce will have over 1000 yds this season easily & very possibly put up double-digit TD numbers(has 8 now). He would be the first to tell you that having Bush there is only prolonging his career. Hell, if you watched the game last night you heard what Deuce had to say about having Bush there and how he compared it to when he played with Ricky Williams and you would have seen how Deuce was cheering Bush on when he scored that TD. Do you really think that Deuce thinks the coach is screwing him over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 That's smart to try and change the subject to Vick in hopes of getting some anti-Vick posters to hopefully come to your defense to say something so prejudice as to call a rookie a bust after scoring an average 30 points the last two weeks. Wow! Dat be Funky 2 understand! are you talking about? I describe a potentially analogous situation & you think it's an attempt to bait Vick lovers? There's usually only 5-6 threads on page 1 to get into Vick pissing contests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 Do you really think that Deuce thinks the coach is screwing him over? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Did you guys see that short pass and run after the catch for a TD? The guy has moves that very very few people in the NFL could match. He's going to be fun to watch for a long time. But at 3.2 YPC, those moves might never be as a workhorse back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yes Please, at any point feel free to explain. Since you obviously know him so much better than us Saints fans do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 Please, at any point feel free to explain. Since you obviously know him so much better than us Saints fans do. Common sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 He's definitely no Mario Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Wow! Dat be Funky 2 understand! are you talking about? I describe a potentially analogous situation & you think it's an attempt to bait Vick lovers? There's usually only 5-6 threads on page 1 to get into Vick pissing contests. Now you know how ridicules your analogy sounded. Please define what you consider a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 But at 3.2 YPC, those moves might never be as a workhorse back... Yes, but once again, he has not had an opportunity as a featured RB (getting 20+ carries per game) to get into a groove like most RBs say they need, in order to boost those numbers. Now maybe given the opportunity he would NOT boost those numbers, but to assume that he would not doesn't make any sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I think you have to give Kubiak a few seasons in Houston before you judge him and his choosing Williams over Bush. Bush is a sexier pick, but if the Texans can establish a presence on defene, improve their line play, and maybe pick up a guy coming out this year or next like, say, Adrian Peterson, then he will look pretty smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Common sense? Something you're coming up short on in this thread. I have stats & quotes to back me up, the only thing you have is your stubborness & your well-documented history for RB predictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Yes, but once again, he has not had an opportunity as a featured RB (getting 20+ carries per game) to get into a groove like most RBs say they need, in order to boost those numbers. Now maybe given the opportunity he would NOT boost those numbers, but to assume that he would not doesn't make any sense to me. I don't have an analysis done for this (and don't plan on spending today doing one), but don't COP backs tend to have a higher YPC than primary runners? Primary runners spend a lot more time getting stuffed at the line in those 20+ carries than COP backs do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 Something you're coming up short on in this thread. I have stats & quotes to back me up, the only thing you have is your stubborness & your well-documented history for RB predictions. You know, you're probably right. Most RBs who put up 247 rushing yards in 47 carries over two games love to get pulled at the goal line so that rookie love children can get the TDs while they watch complacently on the sideline. I'll bow to your acumen since you are so much more privvy to the athletic pysche than I appear to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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