Bronco Billy Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Elway was the biggest choker this side of Peyton until TD rolled into town. If you say so. Perhaps I should list the players on O that Elway was saddled with prior to the TD years, or perhaps refer to the Reeves/Phillips coaching style that helped his play so much. To think DEN's failures during that time period were the fault of Elway only points to a complete lack of understanding of football or that someone didn't see Elway play & was just reading other idiotic commentary. That DEN was actually able to get to SBs with the lack of O talent on those teams is plain evidence of how good a QB Elway was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Cutler looked terrible last night, no question. Kind of looked like, um, errr, a rookie making his first start in a game in midseason of the NFL season playing against a division leader... I'd rather watch that than watch Plummer lead the team to the 5th/6th playoff seed and then watched DEN get crushed in the first round (again). Don't always agree with you BB, but you're dead spot on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 If you say so. Perhaps I should list the players on O that Elway was saddled with prior to the TD years, or perhaps refer to the Reeves/Phillips coaching style that helped his play so much. To think DEN's failures during that time period were the fault of Elway only points to a complete lack of understanding of football or that someone didn't see Elway play & was just reading other idiotic commentary. That DEN was actually able to get to SBs with the lack of O talent on those teams is plain evidence of how good a QB Elway was. The world is coming to an end. This is twice in one thread that I'm agreeing with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Don't always agree with you BB, but you're dead spot on here. The world is coming to an end. This is twice in one thread that I'm agreeing with you. Looks like I picked the worng week to stop sniffing glue... I'm going to have to review my positions here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I think Big Score's agreement only further proves my case against Elway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I think Big Score's agreement only further proves my case against Elway. I should concern you greatly that I had the exact same thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I think Big Score's agreement only further proves my case against Elway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 One more thing to think about, what AFC team was worth a sh*t during Elways years, before TD got there. I mean hell Buffalo got there 4 yrs in a row at the end of Elways career, before TD cemented a Championship for the Pony's from Mile High. The NFC was completely dominant during that 13 year span, before Denver finally broke though in the Super Bowl http://superbowl.com/history/recaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I agree with those who said it wasn't any worse than Plummer...at least he can learn from mistakes and get better instead of continuing to suck like Jake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 (edited) cutler played about as well as jake would've last night. hopefully he gets a little better each game from here. as far as timmay's stupid argument about elway...dude was 14-8 in the post-season. 5-1 in AFC championships. do those not count as "big games"? the super bowls against the niners and giants, the broncos were just completely overmatched (i believe they were double-digit dogs in both games, and eventhat was being generous to the broncos). can't really hang those on elway, it's like blaming cutler for vandy losing to LSU. the skins superbowl was just some bizzarre meltdown in the NFL space-time continuum....elway wasn't even on the field when the defense was being totally destroyed by timmy f*ckin smith and doug f*ckin williams. Edited December 4, 2006 by Azazello1313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 TimC has never lied to me before and I fully agree with anything he says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilwoman Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Cutler will be fine in a few years...He played like a Rookie last night...which he is. I mean the guy has never taken a snap from the starting center in a real game until last night. I can't imagine that Shanny expected much more from Cutler....except for maybe that sack/interception Cutler threw...but still a Rookie mistake. One thing I have noticed about Denver fans...is that unless the QB is flawless all the time, he sucks. I know this because I have many Denver fans as friends (I know) hell even Elway was hated, people don't remember that now because he has retired and won a SB...but I remember how at times he was hated. It's unrealistic to think Cutler will perform like Phillip Rivers, or even Vince Young right now. Give the young lad a break. He's your future and he is going to be a good/great QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsmayes Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Culter won't be the next Elway, but he's not going to be the next Jake Plummer either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Culter won't be the next Elway, but he's not going to be the next Jake Plummer either. pretty much. maybe it would be reasonable to expect him to be the next marc bulger or something. and i think you can win a lot of games if you surround a marc bulger with a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 pretty much. maybe it would be reasonable to expect him to be the next marc bulger or something. and i think you can win a lot of games if you surround a marc bulger with a good team. Of course, he could very well be the next Rex Grossman. We won't know how good he's going to be for at least another two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 but he's not going to be the next Jake Plummer either. So you don't think he will have a long NFL career as a starting QB? Teams like to bring young QB's in when they have excellent matchups..and that is what Denver did this week. Cutler looked bad against this bad defense he will probably look even worse next week. he is not ready and they should of stuck with Jake the rest of this year and kept grooming Cutler for next year IMO. IMO it was a mistake my Shanny but when you are talking about 1 of the best coaches in football (like Shanny) then it is hard to argue as the man KNOWS what he is doing. so...we wait for next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Mania Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I'm trying to decide if Cutler looks like Dumb or Dumber. But he sure doesn't look like a winning NFL QB*** ***I realize the fact that he looks like a moron has NO bearing on his talent as a QB, I just can't fathom (yet) a Superbowl Championship being won by Forrest Gumps "special" little brother. When the Bronco players perform an offseason theatre production of "Deliverance", anybody wanna guess what part Cutler plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 So you don't think he will have a long NFL career as a starting QB? Kordell Stewart had a long career as a starting QB. Kordell also had one stellar mistake-free season before getting benched and leaving football. The parallels are eerie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Kordell Stewart had a long career as a starting QB. Kordell also had one stellar mistake-free season before getting benched and leaving football. The parallels are eerie. Well if you want to double Stewerts career yards and TD's I suppose you could make this arguement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potman Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 One positive from Cutler last night. He was able to hit guys that were open. Which yes, every QB must do to be a decent NFL player. Point is Plummer can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 One positive from Cutler last night. He was able to hit guys that were open. He was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potman Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 He was? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Well if you want to double Stewerts career yards and TD's I suppose you could make this arguement. Plummer also had double the attempts to Kordell. They are undeniably similar in comp %, TD/INT, and yards per attempt. At least Kordell ran twice as many yards with twice as many TDs. I know you've got something to prove in this thread that Plummer wasn't a bad QB and that Cutler is... but you're wrong. You can't prove it with numbers, and you can't prove it with logic. Plummer is a f*$kup at QB. He's not smart, he's not a leader, and he's not accurate unless he's on the run, which is easy to defend... as any team that beats Atlanta can tell you. Plummer is not the quarterback of the Denver Broncos, and that is an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Wasnt griese pretty good in denver. Why did Shanny want him gone. I cant recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 +---------------------------------------+-----------------+ | Passing | Rushing | +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD | +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ | 2002 stl | 7 | 138 214 64.5 1826 8.5 14 6 | 12 -13 1 | | 2003 stl | 15 | 336 532 63.2 3845 7.2 22 22 | 29 75 4 | | 2004 stl | 14 | 321 485 66.2 3964 8.2 21 14 | 19 89 3 | | 2005 stl | 8 | 192 287 66.9 2297 8.0 14 9 | 9 29 0 | | 2006 stl | 11 | 254 398 63.8 2858 7.2 14 4 | 15 17 0 | +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ | TOTAL | 55 | 1241 1916 64.8 14790 7.7 85 55 | 84 197 8 | +----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+ Seasons among the league's top 10 Pass attempts: 2003-4, 2006-4 Completions: 2003-3, 2004-5, 2006-2 Passing yards: 2003-3, 2004-6, 2006-5 Passing TDs: 2006-9t Adjusted yards per pass: 2002-1, 2004-7, 2005-7, 2006-6 Marc Bulger is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category. Postseason data Please read this fine print before using this data or sending questions or corrections. Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD ---------------------+--------------------------+----------------- 2003 car L,23-29 | 27 46 332 0 3 | 4 11 0 2004 sea W,27-20 | 18 32 313 2 1 | 3 10 0 2004 atl L,17-47 | 23 35 299 2 1 | 1 4 0 ---------------------+--------------------------+----------------- TOTAL | 68 113 944 4 5 | 8 25 0 i think that bulger might be ambitious at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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