Someone on Jets staff is gonna be in trouble

[Caveman_Nick]

The second slow mow with the zoom in showed he slightly leaned in. Not saying it's ok, but I guess I just don't jump to "trying to end a player's career" from that motion. I could see the guy being fired. If he was a good staff member, I could also see if he was fined/suspended without pay/etc. but allowed to stay on the team after said punishment.

 

The guy intentionally interfered with and tripped a player on the field who was running full speed, and the player subsequently got injured.

 

I'm not going to make any grandiose statements about how this defines the level of class the Jets display, because that's absurd. What I will say is that the guy should be fired and banned Any further disciplinary action should be directed towards the organization, who should be ultimately responsible for the conduct of their staff and coaches. That standard has been set and should be upheld.

[redrumjuice]

Oh he'll be fired.

[MrTed46]

Oh he'll be fired.

 

100%

 

This Dolphin fan is crying too much

[Rovers]

He should be, and will be fired. The Jets will comment at that time I'm sure. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do. What I don't understand is why the player was so far out of bounds, nearly off even the white apron and he wasn't blocked, he intentionally ran OOB for what, like 20 yards, more? That was the second time in the game a Miami ST's player did that in the game, the first time it drew a flag but because he was the first to make a play and was never touched by an opposing player.

 

I'm not sure if that is a rule violation or not, but I know that a Jets player can't block another player in coverage on the apron. Seems that this "move" was being coached to the Phin's coverage teams. By no means do I mean to imply that because of that what the Jets' trainer did was excusable, it was completely inexcusable. I think, think, that the intent was to give the player a bump to slow him down. If he didn't fall, and didn't get a little banged up, I doubt it would have even been noticed. Is it legal to leave the field of play intentionally, especially for over 20 yards like that? Pretty effective way to get downfield without being blocked if it is. I know there are some rules in place that say what a player that does this can and can't do upon re-enetering the field of play.

 

Say what you want about Ryan, but to say it's his influence that cased this is ridiculous. Oh, and that MMA event where Ryan gave that guy the bird? The same guy had actually gone down to Ryan's front row seat and spit on him. Right in his face. He was escorted away but not ejected, go figure. On Ryan's way out the guy started cursing him out again for the third time that night. I think Ryan showed restraint there, if anything. The guy that runs the MMA, I don't recall his name was there and that was his account on NY sports radio in the following days, and that account was coorobated. I remember being surprised at the time that there was no thread on it here.

[delusions of grandeur]

100%

 

This Dolphin fan is crying too much

 

Yeah right, you'd be in here crying bloody murder if Vick blindsided someone like that from the sidelines....

 

Haha, give the Dolphins fan a break everyone... Sober or not, I'd have gone off the handle too if a rival coach tripped up and injured one of my home teams' players... It's not even my team and it pisses me off...

 

 

The guy should be fired, and I will lose alot of respect for Rex Ryan and company if he isn't... I could buy the "lapse in judgement" speech if he was on the field taking blows and let his emotions get the best of him... But for a coach to stick out his leg to trip a guy running full-speed is one of the scummiest displays I think I've ever seen... It's just sadistic IMO.

 

I also will be very dissapointed if the NFL takes no action if the Jets won't, after this whole stance in recent years of "protecting the players"... Beyond all of those other measures, this is one thing you should be guaranteed when you step on the field, that you don't have to worry about someone outside of the field of play coming up and blindsiding you... Just despicable.

Edited December 13, 2010 by delusions of granduer

[overworkedirish]

He should be, and will be fired. The Jets will comment at that time I'm sure. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do. What I don't understand is why the player was so far out of bounds, nearly off even the white apron and he wasn't blocked, he intentionally ran OOB for what, like 20 yards, more? That was the second time in the game a Miami ST's player did that in the game, the first time it drew a flag but because he was the first to make a play and was never touched by an opposing player.

 

I'm not sure if that is a rule violation or not, but I know that a Jets player can't block another player in coverage on the apron. Seems that this "move" was being coached to the Phin's coverage teams. By no means do I mean to imply that because of that what the Jets' trainer did was excusable, it was completely inexcusable. I think, think, that the intent was to give the player a bump to slow him down. If he didn't fall, and didn't get a little banged up, I doubt it would have even been noticed. Is it legal to leave the field of play intentionally, especially for over 20 yards like that? Pretty effective way to get downfield without being blocked if it is. I know there are some rules in place that say what a player that does this can and can't do upon re-enetering the field of play.

 

Say what you want about Ryan, but to say it's his influence that cased this is ridiculous. Oh, and that MMA event where Ryan gave that guy the bird? The same guy had actually gone down to Ryan's front row seat and spit on him. Right in his face. He was escorted away but not ejected, go figure. On Ryan's way out the guy started cursing him out again for the third time that night. I think Ryan showed restraint there, if anything. The guy that runs the MMA, I don't recall his name was there and that was his account on NY sports radio in the following days, and that account was coorobated. I remember being surprised at the time that there was no thread on it here.

Gunners run up the side of the field all the time. It's pretty standard special teams practice, it's just not something usually focused on. Keep your eye open for it in tonight's two games.

 

While I was spouting some homerisms earlier (which I apologized for, so let's be done with it), I don't think I'm overreacting. He'll be fired, yeah, but walk with me down Hypothetical Lane for a second. What if Nolan Carroll had torn his ACL or something? Can't play football for a year? The rest of his life? Kid is a rookie, with broken leg injury history his senior year of college. Would this bum assistant coach have had to pay the NFL-sized salary Carroll would have gotten? Nope. This kind of action can end players' careers. Firing is not enough if they truly mean the "protect the players" message they're sending league-wide with the excessive player fines.

Edited December 13, 2010 by overworkedirish

[Rovers]

Gunners run up the side of the field all the time. It's pretty standard special teams practice, it's just not something usually focused on. Keep your eye open for it in tonight's two games.

 

While I was spouting some homerisms earlier (which I apologized for, so let's be done with it), I don't think I'm overreacting. He'll be fired, yeah, but walk with me down Hypothetical Lane for a second. What if Nolan Carroll had torn his ACL or something? Can't play football for a year? The rest of his life? Kid is a rookie, with broken leg injury history his senior year of college. Would this bum assistant coach have had to pay the NFL-sized salary Carroll would have gotten? Nope. This kind of action can end players' careers. Firing is not enough if they truly mean the "protect the players" message they're sending league-wide with the excessive player fines.

 

 

Before you whine anymore, let's see what the Jets and the NFL are going to do about it. Look, it isn't like the idiot was INTENTIONALLY trying to injure the player, and to accuse him of that would be sheer stupidity. It's not like he dove at the kid's knees, OK? He tried to bump him. Like it or not, since the player didn't get seriously injured, they aren't going to throw Alosi in jail. It was a spur of the moment idiotic thing to do. Nolan WASN'T seriously hurt, thank goodness. If he had, the punishment would have been more than whatever it turns out to be.

 

You don't think firing and a fine would not be enough? You want jail time, or what? BTW, if the kid did get seriously hurt, Alosi would be sued and Nolan would be set for life. Alosi would be a poor man for life. Is that what you want? Or do you want blood?

 

Did you join this message board just to post about you righteous indignation over this one incident?

[MrTed46]

Gunners run up the side of the field all the time. It's pretty standard special teams practice, it's just not something usually focused on. Keep your eye open for it in tonight's two games.

 

While I was spouting some homerisms earlier (which I apologized for, so let's be done with it), I don't think I'm overreacting. He'll be fired, yeah, but walk with me down Hypothetical Lane for a second. What if Nolan Carroll had torn his ACL or something? Can't play football for a year? The rest of his life? Kid is a rookie, with broken leg injury history his senior year of college. Would this bum assistant coach have had to pay the NFL-sized salary Carroll would have gotten? Nope. This kind of action can end players' careers. Firing is not enough if they truly mean the "protect the players" message they're sending league-wide with the excessive player fines.

 

I think he should be stoned to death based on "what if" scenarios. Oods are he WILL be fired. What else do you want? Jail?

[electricrelish]

I think he should be stoned to death based on "what if" scenarios. Oods are he WILL be fired. What else do you want? Jail?

Hehehehe!!!

[keggerz]

I think he should be stoned to death based on "what if" scenarios. Oods are he WILL be fired. What else do you want? Jail?

Amputate his leg just above the knee.

[whomper]

Thank you Nancy Alosi

[overworkedirish]

Any organization of merit would have already fired him by now. What kind of "investigating" needs to happen?

 

Either way, check out Mike Floria's PFT article - now THIS is some crazy sh*t. If it makes everyone feel better, I don't think it holds much water:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-alosi-phalanx/

[MTSuper7]

Any organization of merit would have already fired him by now. What kind of "investigating" needs to happen?

 

Either way, check out Mike Floria's PFT article - now THIS is some crazy sh*t. If it makes everyone feel better, I don't think it holds much water:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-alosi-phalanx/

 

Interesting... but I actually have no problem with Ryan or whomever called the shot on the Jets' sideline to form a barrier to prevent a gunner from passing that far out of bounds on the play. The issue is Alosi initiating the contact. But those guys have the right to stand their ground right there if they want to (not unlike a charging call in basketball).

 

That being said, I actually don't think the idea of jail time is that outrageous. If Alosi wasn't employed by the Jets and did that, he would be in jail right now. Why should his employer make a difference?

 

ETA - I re-watched the video, and Alosi's feet never cross the white line. I'm not sure what the rule states, but aren't members of the Jets' staff entitled to their space over there? It's not an excuse for him to stick his knee out, however slightly, but he also shouldn't have to move out of the way either. What's a gunner doing that far over anyway?

Edited December 13, 2010 by MTSuper7

[Rovers]

On second though, Jail time is not enough. He should hasve his fingernails pulled out and then be sent to Guantanomo Bay to stand trial with all the other terrorists.

[overworkedirish]

He assaulted a player on the field. Should be charged accordingly, as would any fan who did the same.

[keggerz]

He assaulted a player on the field. Should be charged accordingly, as would any fan who did the same.

So you are still inebriated

[Rovers]

He assaulted a player on the field. Should be charged accordingly, as would any fan who did the same.

 

He assualted a player on the field? Both of his feet were off the white apron. He wasn't ON the field. Now, back to more rational discussions...

 

A player who is forced out of bounds is allowed to remain out of bounds without being blocked for as far as he chooses to run out of bounds. He cannot voluntarilly run out of bounds. So, the replays really don't show whether or not he was forced out. It does seem to me that the Miami gunners have been coached to bait the punt return team into making it appear as though they have been forced out, while not actaully having been forced out so they can get downfield under the protection of the sideline. They did get flagged for this earlier in the game, intentionally running out of bounds, so there is some basis for this possibility.

 

As far as the punishment goes, the more I read in this thread the less discipline I want to see handed out. Call me a homer. Jail time? Did Haynesworth go to jail when he stopmed a helmetless player with his spikes? Now THAT was an assault. This was an attempt at interference. Haynesworth intended to injure. Alosi tried to bump the guy. Let's get a little, just a little perspective here.

[rajncajn]

Any organization of merit would have already fired him by now. What kind of "investigating" needs to happen?

 

Either way, check out Mike Floria's PFT article - now THIS is some crazy sh*t. If it makes everyone feel better, I don't think it holds much water:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...-alosi-phalanx/

phalanx of six sweat-suited soldiers

 

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[overworkedirish]

As far as the punishment goes, the more I read in this thread the less discipline I want to see handed out. Call me a homer. Jail time? Did Haynesworth go to jail when he stopmed a helmetless player with his spikes? Now THAT was an assault. This was an attempt at interference. Haynesworth intended to injure. Alosi tried to bump the guy. Let's get a little, just a little perspective here.

Okay, I never once said word one about jail time. And I'm pretty sure most people who brought it up in this thread were being sarcastic.

 

To say he didn't intend to injure is, to me, ridiculous homerism. That was the only intent. HE ADMITTED TO DOING IT ON PURPOSE. Seems like at this point you're the one whining with these essay-long responses.

[electricrelish]

Here are some interesting quotes from Ryan, whch lead me to believe they are going to let this guy take the fall alone.

 

"[What he did] has no business is this league or anywhere else," Ryan said.

 

As for whether players and coaches have been instructed to stand close to the line on certain plays. Coach Rex Ryan said he does the opposite: he instructs everyone to back away from the line during double press coverage - when two players are covering one gunner

 

Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/NYJ

[nuke'em ttg]

Unleash the hounds

http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?showuser=10525

[overworkedirish]

Here are some interesting quotes from Ryan, whch lead me to believe they are going to let this guy take the fall alone.

 

"[What he did] has no business is this league or anywhere else," Ryan said.

 

As for whether players and coaches have been instructed to stand close to the line on certain plays. Coach Rex Ryan said he does the opposite: he instructs everyone to back away from the line during double press coverage - when two players are covering one gunner

 

Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/team/NYJ

I guess the question is, does he give a wink and smile while saying "Whatever you do, DEFINITELY DON'T STAND ON THE LINE, GUYS!"

[Rovers]

Okay, I never once said word one about jail time. And I'm pretty sure most people who brought it up in this thread were being sarcastic.

 

To say he didn't intend to injure is, to me, ridiculous homerism. That was the only intent. HE ADMITTED TO DOING IT ON PURPOSE. Seems like at this point you're the one whining with these essay-long responses.

 

Take a deep breath... why would the coach attempt to injure the player? Surely if the player got injured, he's caught with a smoking gun in his hand. He tried to interfere with the player and NOT get caught. A little bump to slow Nolan down... or get caught attempting to injure a player? Think it out now... take your time... and lock up the liquor cabinet.

[delusions of grandeur]

He assualted a player on the field? Both of his feet were off the white apron. He wasn't ON the field. Now, back to more rational discussions...

 

A player who is forced out of bounds is allowed to remain out of bounds without being blocked for as far as he chooses to run out of bounds. He cannot voluntarilly run out of bounds. So, the replays really don't show whether or not he was forced out. It does seem to me that the Miami gunners have been coached to bait the punt return team into making it appear as though they have been forced out, while not actaully having been forced out so they can get downfield under the protection of the sideline. They did get flagged for this earlier in the game, intentionally running out of bounds, so there is some basis for this possibility.

 

As far as the punishment goes, the more I read in this thread the less discipline I want to see handed out. Call me a homer. Jail time? Did Haynesworth go to jail when he stopmed a helmetless player with his spikes? Now THAT was an assault. This was an attempt at interference. Haynesworth intended to injure. Alosi tried to bump the guy. Let's get a little, just a little perspective here.

 

What the Miami players "strategy" was is completely irrelevant to what he did.

 

As for all of this, "only if he had seriously injured him, should he be severely punished" and "it wasn't his intent to injure him", I don't think it shouldn't matter much at all that he didn't end up seriously injuring him, nor do I care what his intent was... Does the NFL base helmet-to-helmet and other fines on whether a player got actually hurt in that instance? Does it have to malicious? As far I'm aware, it's all solely based on the "what if", because their goal is to prevent injuries (particularly ones that are easily prevented like this, and should never happen)...

 

So yes, I agree with others that he should pay a heavy penalty for what could have happened. This isn't just some matter of negligence. It's a matter of his actions... It is FAR different than players who are physically handling each-other all game and taking shots, to let their emotions get the best of them and make a dirty play.... It's another thing alltogether when a coach, who is supposed to be held to higher standard and in no way shape or form supposed to interfere or even touch anyone on the field, initiates contact that COULD unnecessarily end someone's career.

 

If you don't think that's a big deal and completely different from what players are paid to do, then yes, I'm sorry, you're being a homer. If I were a Jets fan, I'd be distancing myself as far as possible from this guy's behavior.

[Phazool]

Take a deep breath... why would the coach attempt to injure the player? Surely if the player got injured, he's caught with a smoking gun in his hand. He tried to interfere with the player and NOT get caught. A little bump to slow Nolan down... or get caught attempting to injure a player? Think it out now... take your time... and lock up the liquor cabinet.

 

 

I don't know what all the fuss is about? I watched it a few times and it looks to me that Alosi was scratching his nuts with his left hand frm inside his pocket. bad timing I guess.