Overturn the Game?

[delfamdelfam]

PENALTIES FOR UNFAIR ACTS

 

Article 3

The Commissioner’s powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and

 

draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of

 

a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the

 

extraordinary act occurred. In the event of rescheduling a game, the Commissioner will be guided by the

 

procedures specified in Rule 17, Section 1, Articles 5 through 11, above. In all cases, the Commissioner

 

will conduct a full investigation, including the opportunity for hearings, use of game videotape, and any

 

other procedure he deems appropriate.

 

 

 

 

 

Any chance game gets reversed? I doubt it since Goodell is such a ****

[stevegrab]

maybe this will be more readable...

 

Article 3

The Commissioner’s powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and

 

draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of

 

a game’s result or the rescheduling of a game, either from the beginning or from the point at which the

 

extraordinary act occurred. In the event of rescheduling a game, the Commissioner will be guided by the

 

procedures specified in Rule 17, Section 1, Articles 5 through 11, above. In all cases, the Commissioner

 

will conduct a full investigation, including the opportunity for hearings, use of game videotape, and any

 

other procedure he deems appropriate.

 

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How about the just replay that last down one more time. But get the real refs back first. And if SEA scores the TD again, the XP they originally kicked could count.

[Ditkaless Wonders]

No. You just have to shallow this CHIPS AHOY! and then get past it, or leave the game for other pursuits.

[Croe]

If they did reverse the game would it count towards my bet that got killed because of that call? Otherwise I don't care

[Bronco Billy]

The NFL can't force itself to admit the regular refs meant a lot more to the game than they thought and get them back on the job. What are the possibilities that the league would them dogpile itself and reverse the outcome of the game, despite clear justification for doing so?

 

Odd for a league so worried about its public image for so long and so adamantly would allow itself to implode like this. No accounting for ginormous egos though. Rather kill the golden goose than possibly admit they could have been wrong.

[Furd]

None.

 

The NFL would never admit to such a colossal mistake. Why should they? The players are going to play next week, and the fans are going to shell out their $$$$$. Its all good in the hood.

[matt770]

None.

 

The NFL would never admit to such a colossal mistake. Why should they? The players are going to play next week, and the fans are going to shell out their $$$$$. Its all good in the hood.

 

It's not a question of admitting anything. The video evidence is as clear as day, and to do nothing is to deny what everyone knows is a fact -- that there was no TD. I can't recall any instance where we would even be discussing the possibility of overturning the outcome of a game, but I see no other rational alternative here. Of course it will never happen though.

[rajncajn]

If you overturn that ruling then you have to go back and look at all the other questionable calls as well. Not gonna happen.

[Bronco Billy]

If you overturn that ruling then you have to go back and look at all the other questionable calls as well. Not gonna happen.

 

 

I disagree. This one play literally decided the outcome of the game in that it was the last play of the game, and it was egregiously and obviously miscalled for all to see. That's different than any other play in the game.

 

Not that the NFL would grow a pair and do the right thing here, but they did provide themselves the opportunity. That opportunity is going to be a double edged sword, though. Given how blatant this play was, what does it say for the league's credibility when it chooses not to overturn and alter the outcome?

[cre8tiff]

If they did reverse the game would it count towards my bet that got killed because of that call? Otherwise I don't care

 

 

You are a fool to bet on games with this sort of crazy unpredictability in play. Sure the old refs blew calls, but this is beyond the pale.

[wiegie]

I disagree. This one play literally decided the outcome of the game in that it was the last play of the game, and it was egregiously and obviously miscalled for all to see. That's different than any other play in the game.

 

Not that the NFL would grow a pair and do the right thing here, but they did provide themselves the opportunity. That opportunity is going to be a double edged sword, though. Given how blatant this play was, what does it say for the league's credibility when it chooses not to overturn and alter the outcome?

 

The league is not going to overturn the outcome of this game. Nor should it--that is a door that should never be opened.

 

The league should, however, unlock the door that is keeping the normal refs off the playing field.

[i_am_the_swammi]

I disagree. This one play literally decided the outcome of the game in that it was the last play of the game, and it was egregiously and obviously miscalled for all to see. That's different than any other play in the game.

 

Not that the NFL would grow a pair and do the right thing here, but they did provide themselves the opportunity. That opportunity is going to be a double edged sword, though. Given how blatant this play was, what does it say for the league's credibility when it chooses not to overturn and alter the outcome?

 

 

I agree 100% with your thinking....but also agree with Rajn, in that if they overturn this call, then don't the Seahawks have a legitimate beef if they can produce another call from the game that was erroneous? if so, there is no telling how the rest of the game would have progressed had the right call been made.

 

In baseball, umps miss balls and strikes all the time. It is not a judgement call....it is either over the plate, or its not. Games hang in the balance, and you cannot change a call hours or days after the fact, even if you have video evidence to support your argument.

 

Point is, the final call of the game is no more or less important than any other call before it. In this case, it just feels like it is because it was soo erroneous, and had such a dramatic bearing on the game. Unfortunately, there is no scale which tells us which calls are more important that others, and which ones are not.

[rajncajn]

I disagree. This one play literally decided the outcome of the game in that it was the last play of the game, and it was egregiously and obviously miscalled for all to see. That's different than any other play in the game.

 

Not that the NFL would grow a pair and do the right thing here, but they did provide themselves the opportunity. That opportunity is going to be a double edged sword, though. Given how blatant this play was, what does it say for the league's credibility when it chooses not to overturn and alter the outcome?

 

It makes no difference if it was the last play or the first play. You can't say that one had more affect on the outcome than the other. Any bad call that affects the score can decide the outcome of a game. The fact that it was the last play only makes the mistake more visible.

[Hugh 0ne]

If you overturn that ruling then you have to go back and look at all the other questionable calls as well. Not gonna happen.

 

 

Exactly. It's really not that hard to comprehend people. Sure it was the last play of the game which makes it stand out, but every bad call in that game had a direct outcome on the final result, so, in essence, despite the massive whining by Packer fans and just about everyone else, they were playing a level playing field.

[Hugh 0ne]

The league is not going to overturn the outcome of this game. Nor should it--that is a door that should never be opened.

 

The league should, however, unlock the door that is keeping the normal refs off the playing field.

 

 

Indeed.

[detlef]

It makes no difference if it was the last play or the first play. You can't say that one had more affect on the outcome than the other. Any bad call that affects the score can decide the outcome of a game. The fact that it was the last play only makes the mistake more visible.

 

Here's the thing though. Say they don't call the BS roughing call and GB gets the pick. They could botch the snap on the very next play and Seattle could run it in for a TD. Certainly highly unlikely, but nonetheless.

 

However, on the very last play of the game, that's it. If GB gets that pick, game over. There's no need to wonder or assume what would happen next. Everyone heads to the locker rooms and that's it.

 

ETA: I'm not saying they should reverse the call, mind you. Just pointing out that there is a difference between reversing a bad call early on and a bad call on the last play. If you reverse an earlier call, you have to go back and replay the game from that point forward. You can't say, "had we not called a phantom roughing call, GB would have won" because you can't be sure. However, you can absolutely say, without any question at all, that GB wins the game 100% if you get the last call right.

Edited September 25, 2012 by detlef

[SheikYerbuti]

You are a fool to bet on games with this sort of crazy unpredictability in play. Sure the old refs blew calls, but this is beyond the pale.

 

 

This. I'm not betting another game until the replacement refs are gone. You're better off buying lotto tickets.

[Hugh 0ne]

Here's the thing though. Say they don't call the BS roughing call and GB gets the pick. They could botch the snap on the very next play and Seattle could run it in for a TD. Certainly highly unlikely, but nonetheless.

 

However, on the very last play of the game, that's it. If GB gets that pick, game over. There's no need to wonder or assume what would happen next. Everyone heads to the locker rooms and that's it.

 

ETA: I'm not saying they should reverse the call, mind you. Just pointing out that there is a difference between reversing a bad call early on and a bad call on the last play. If you reverse an earlier call, you have to go back and replay the game from that point forward. You can't say, "had we not called a phantom roughing call, GB would have won" because you can't be sure. However, you can absolutely say, without any question at all, that GB wins the game 100% if you get the last call right.

 

 

But if they didn't screw up other calls we woudn't have gotten to that last play.

 

If my aunt had a p*nis she'd be my uncle.

[whomper]

 

If my aunt had a p*nis

 

:pantstight:

[rajncajn]

You are a fool to bet on games with this sort of crazy unpredictability in play. Sure the old refs blew calls, but this is beyond the pale.

 

 

You know, that may be a better idea than boycotting the TV broadcasts. If you REALLY want to get someone's attention then stop placing your bets.

[wiegie]

You know, that may be a better idea than boycotting the TV broadcasts. If you REALLY want to get someone's attention then stop placing your bets.

 

Yep--there's a reason that they were required to go for the PAT at the end of the game (and it wasn't to give the fans extra entertainment).

[Bronco Billy]

It makes no difference if it was the last play or the first play. You can't say that one had more affect on the outcome than the other. Any bad call that affects the score can decide the outcome of a game. The fact that it was the last play only makes the mistake more visible.

 

 

It absoutely makes a difference. There is no alternative after the play in question if it is the last play in the game. If it is upheld, SEA wins. If it is overturned, GB wins. The end. The variable timelines are finite. The last play exactly determined the outcome of the game. No other play holds that definitive distinction. Any other play in the game, even the second to last play, opens alternative scenarios because of the potential outcomes of successive plays, which are unknown.

 

That said, I still don't think the NFL will overturn the play for obvious reasons, and as such the rule is useless and should be abolished by the league since if there were ever a case to enforce it, this game would qualify. All it does if it will not be enforced is make the league look even worse if it has the opportunity to undo an obvious injustice on the very last play of the game which was the determinant play in the final outcome, and opts not to do so

[stevegrab]

None.

 

The NFL would never admit to such a colossal mistake. Why should they? The players are going to play next week, and the fans are going to shell out their $$$$$. Its all good in the hood.

 

 

Many of the fans have already shelled out there $$$ for tickets. Sure they could stay home, but it isn't like a million plus game tickets (16 games * 65,000 seat average) are being sold each week.

 

I also agree that overturning the game result because of the bad call opens up every call in that game, as well as every other game (at least for this past week, if not other weeks or years). It is not going top happen, nor should it.

[detlef]

But if they didn't screw up other calls we woudn't have gotten to that last play.

 

 

That's the point, you can't actually say that with 100% certainty. Like I said. Anything that gets GB the ball with enough time to run a play doesn't end the game with 100% certainty. Maybe 99%, but not 100%. Ask dude in Tampa.

 

So, again, if you want to go back and fix earlier screw-ups, then you have to replay the game from that point forward. But not the last play, because there's absolutely no possible outcome other than GB winning the game if you reverse that call.

 

Something, again, I'm not advocating, but simply pointing out why it's different than any other bad call that preceded it.

[Bonehand]

Sure. Just as soon as they overturn the Jets/Seahawks game from 1998.