IT'S OVER - JOE BIDEN IS PRESIDENT ELECT!!

[stevegrab]

2 hours ago, League_Champion said:

 

And this bothers you, why? Are you happy with this idiot running this Country into the ground?  After all, you voted for it. 

 

It doesn't bother me, I find your act childish and think you mostly do it in places where you can remain anonymous. That is I asked if you post these around your home. 

 

Waahhhh I'm unhappy with the president so I'll call him names..... but you loved Donny Despot and his attempt to become king of the USA. Were you in DC on 1/6 with the rest of his clueless cult? 

 

 

[League_Champion]

3 hours ago, stevegrab said:

 

It doesn't bother me, I find your act childish and think you mostly do it in places where you can remain anonymous. That is I asked if you post these around your home. 

 

Waahhhh I'm unhappy with the president so I'll call him names..... but you loved Donny Despot and his attempt to become king of the USA. Were you in DC on 1/6 with the rest of his clueless cult? 

 

 

 

That's nice. I'm glad that none of it bothers you. Inflation, food & fuel shortages, labor shortages, housing crisis, border crisis, increasing violence, Covid deaths on Biden's watch, etc. I bet it would bother you if Donny was still President. I don't care who you voted for, if that doesn't bother you then you're not American. 

[rajncajn]

Climate crisis seems to be the only one that matters right now.

[League_Champion]

33 minutes ago, rajncajn said:

Climate crisis seems to be the only one that matters right now.

 

Yup, they're worried about cows farting while Biden sleeps. 

[rajncajn]

1 hour ago, LordOpie said:

How so?

Because this week I've seen a lot more attention paid to it than anything else,  including covid. Everything else LC mentioned seems unimportant by comparison.

[rajncajn]

41 minutes ago, LordOpie said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1459953460036710401
 

What's your point?

[stevegrab]

16 hours ago, League_Champion said:

 

That's nice. I'm glad that none of it bothers you. Inflation, food & fuel shortages, labor shortages, housing crisis, border crisis, increasing violence, Covid deaths on Biden's watch, etc. I bet it would bother you if Donny was still President. I don't care who you voted for, if that doesn't bother you then you're not American. 

 

Dude your reading comprehension blows. You quoted me asking why it bothers me, IT was not anything you list now. I never said those things don't bother me, but I wonder do they only bother you now because you get to blame Biden for them? 

 

Let's pick the border crisis, did it bother you when it was going on during Trump's reign of terror? Or do you think he fixed it all and Biden screwed it up.

 

Now how about COVID deaths, did you care when Trump was in charge and completed mishandled the pandemic? Or is it only a problem now because Biden's in chare?

 

Fuel shortages, don't see those by me there's gas available anytime I want it. Inflation is a normal cycle. 

 

PS  If you still love Trump you're not an American. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by stevegrab

[stevegrab]

15 hours ago, LordOpie said:

Too many are socialists looking forward to the death of America.

Sadly, they won't realize their error until it's way too late

 

Too many of you are control freaks and want everybody to live like you, and look forward to civil war in America. And label anybody who wants to help others as socialists, when you have no real grasp of the word. You're not better than Joe McCarthy. 

[Bobby Brown]

6 hours ago, LordOpie said:

Sadly, none of that is true.i say sadly because it demonstrates the fact that no one wants to hear the other side.

I believe in freedom... I think adults should be allowed to be adults,

 

You don't actually believe any of this.  What you really want is private businesses and other institutions to lose their Constitutionally guaranteed right to set vaccine policy,.  Because that is what really leaves actual adults the freedom to make their own decisions. 

But since you've completely bought into the ''Mah freedumb is stolen from the Socialist boogeyman' schtick, you're oblivious to your actual position:  being entitled to privileges on your own terms without wanting to accept the big boy consequences.

[rajncajn]

1 hour ago, Bobby Brown said:

You don't actually believe any of this.  What you really want is private businesses and other institutions to lose their Constitutionally guaranteed right to set vaccine policy,.  Because that is what really leaves actual adults the freedom to make their own decisions. 

But since you've completely bought into the ''Mah freedumb is stolen from the Socialist boogeyman' schtick, you're oblivious to your actual position:  being entitled to privileges on your own terms without wanting to accept the big boy consequences.

You do realize that a lot of corporations do not agree with a mandate,  correct? I think that businesses should be able to choose what they require if their employees. If they don't want to dictate that their employees get the vaccine,  then they shouldn't be told by the government that they must.

[Bobby Brown]

22 minutes ago, rajncajn said:

You do realize that a lot of corporations do not agree with a mandate,  correct? I think that businesses should be able to choose what they require if their employees. If they don't want to dictate that their employees get the vaccine,  then they shouldn't be told by the government that they must.

Theoretically, I have no problem with what you are saying.  However, the 7-2 Jacobson vs Massachusetts SC decision inarguably gave the state a Constitutional authority to enforce vaccine mandates.  To quote Justice John Marshall Harlan in his decision: “….real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

So, until that decision is overturned, it really doesn't matter what we think businesses should or shouldn't be told by the government.  The Constitutional process has largely been played out on the matter.  And from what my lawyer friends tell me, the legal challenges and temporary delays on the matter are a desperate Hail Mary at best. 

[rajncajn]

19 minutes ago, Bobby Brown said:

Theoretically, I have no problem with what you are saying.  However, the 7-2 Jacobson vs Massachusetts SC decision inarguably gave the state a Constitutional authority to enforce vaccine mandates.  To quote Justice John Marshall Harlan in his decision: “….real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

So, until that decision is overturned, it really doesn't matter what we think businesses should or shouldn't be told by the government.  The Constitutional process has largely been played out on the matter.  And from what my lawyer friends tell me, the legal challenges and temporary delays on the matter are a desperate Hail Mary at best. 

And what does that say for the federal government dictating the mandate?

[Bobby Brown]

5 minutes ago, rajncajn said:

And what does that say for the federal government dictating the mandate?

The "state" is a general term used interchangeably for all types of government in legalese. Federal supreme court decisions generally dictate the law of the land.  Roe vs Wade didn't just apply to Texas, the Rosa Parks decision didn't just apply to Alabama, Brown vs the Board of Education didn't just apply to Kansas...and on and on and on and on....

[rajncajn]

10 minutes ago, Bobby Brown said:

The "state" is a general term used interchangeably for all types of government in legalese. Federal supreme court decisions generally dictate the law of the land.  Roe vs Wade didn't just apply to Texas, the Rosa Parks decision didn't just apply to Alabama, Brown vs the Board of Education didn't just apply to Kansas...and on and on and on and on....

Regardless of what the courts say,  I will never agree to any govt mandate that introduces any foreign object into someone's body against their will. I think it's just way overstepping the authority of the govt. Of course there's a lot of things they do that oversteps their authority,  so I digress. 

[Bobby Brown]

30 minutes ago, rajncajn said:

 I will never agree to any govt mandate that introduces any foreign object into someone's body against their will. 

I kind of get that despite your hyperbolic description.  And while I'm not trying to split hairs...people still have the ultimate freedom on whether or not to get the vaccine.  The US is full of rules or regulations that people don't necessarily 'want' to comply with to do certain things.  But those are the rules.  Make a decision and live with the consequences.  

[rajncajn]

Now for my conspiracy hat... I feel like we've all been given the poison and the government holds control over the antidote. As long as you keep complying and you're useful,  you get your booster shot.

 

The vaccines are "free," except they are really not. Our taxes are paying for them and pharmaceutical companies are making a fortune off them with no real end to booster shots in site. We've become way more dependent on them than anyone should be comfortable with. 

[stevegrab]

9 hours ago, rajncajn said:

Now for my conspiracy hat... I feel like we've all been given the poison and the government holds control over the antidote. As long as you keep complying and you're useful,  you get your booster shot.

 

The vaccines are "free," except they are really not. Our taxes are paying for them and pharmaceutical companies are making a fortune off them with no real end to booster shots in site. We've become way more dependent on them than anyone should be comfortable with. 

 

Yes I'm sure that's what this all is, and the government created the virus to allow them to have this control. And does this apply to all governments around the world? Or does the US now control the world with the antidote? And we attacked ourselves on 9/11, and we never landed on the moon. 

 

Seriously if you don't want to be seen as a conspiracy theory believer don't make posts like this. Or maybe it was just sarcasm. 

Bobby Brown is right regarding the mandate, plenty of rules and laws made for businesses, its part of a civilized society, just like individuals have rules we must follow. Some people don't like speed limits, some like to drink and drive, some like to beat their kids or spouses. People can still choose, they're just in violation of the law. How many decades have people around the world been smoking pot illegally until it finally became accepted and decriminalized in many places. 

[rajncajn]

2 hours ago, stevegrab said:

 

Yes I'm sure that's what this all is, and the government created the virus to allow them to have this control. And does this apply to all governments around the world? Or does the US now control the world with the antidote? And we attacked ourselves on 9/11, and we never landed on the moon. 

 

Seriously if you don't want to be seen as a conspiracy theory believer don't make posts like this. Or maybe it was just sarcasm. 

Bobby Brown is right regarding the mandate, plenty of rules and laws made for businesses, its part of a civilized society, just like individuals have rules we must follow. Some people don't like speed limits, some like to drink and drive, some like to beat their kids or spouses. People can still choose, they're just in violation of the law. How many decades have people around the world been smoking pot illegally until it finally became accepted and decriminalized in many places. 

"Feels like" is different than "I believe." It's why I led with "Now for my conspiracy hat." It's also a reference to Dune (the book), jokingly implying that Biden is Baron Harkonnen. It's more hyperbole,  Steve. I thought I made it more obvious than the last post that Bobby Brown picked up right away.

Edited November 16, 2021 by rajncajn

[stevegrab]

4 hours ago, rajncajn said:

"Feels like" is different than "I believe." It's why I led with "Now for my conspiracy hat." It's also a reference to Dune (the book), jokingly implying that Biden is Baron Harkonnen. It's more hyperbole,  Steve. I thought I made it more obvious than the last post that Bobby Brown picked up right away.

 

I just don't see the purpose in posting conspiracy theories unless you feel they hold some truth. And saying "it feels like" tells me you think there is some truth. Which means you're a partial believer. 

 

I missed the Dune reference, been ages since I read that book. 

[League_Champion]

Time to break the ice. Full heat getter. 

 

 

[rajncajn]

6 hours ago, stevegrab said:

I just don't see the purpose in posting conspiracy theories unless you feel they hold some truth. And saying "it feels like" tells me you think there is some truth. Which means you're a partial believer.

Did you read the second paragraph? It goes with the first.

 

The dependency on a government funded vaccine, as well as covid in general,  gives the government way more control than anyone should be comfortable with. It was the same with Bush and the patriot act. Any time the government can and does step in and starts making decisions for us,  controlling what we can and cannot do,  where we can go,  who we can see,  where we can work, we should all be very wary. Whether we think it's in our best interest at the time or not makes no difference whatsoever. What I am a believer in is anytime the government assumes any new control over its people,  for whatever reason,  we as citizens should be very vigilant in recognizing where that control may be abused.

Edited November 17, 2021 by rajncajn

[rajncajn]

1 hour ago, League_Champion said:

Time to break the ice. Full heat getter. 

It's posts like this that got politics in the Tailgate shut down in the first place. Just a word of warning.

[League_Champion]

15 minutes ago, rajncajn said:

It's posts like this that got politics in the Tailgate shut down in the first place. Just a word of warning.

 

Sorry. You laughed, don't lie 🤥

[rajncajn]

1 minute ago, League_Champion said:

 

Sorry. You laughed, don't lie 🤥

No, I really didn't. I find humor about someone who was shot and killed in very bad taste, regardless of the circumstances. It's just not funny at all, neither the meme, nor the circumstances.

[rajncajn]

Of course, I've also been recently accused by a liberal friend of being "dramatic" because I took issue with him and a few other friends agreeing they "hope they (Republicans) die quickly before they can pass on their genes." Again, hyperbole, yet there are thresholds that I think we should be above & wishing/mocking death should be an obvious one. Some people just aren't above anything though and, at the risk of sounding "dramatic," it saddens me to see more & more of my friends cross those thresholds so easily & willingly. It just speaks volumes of the political and social climate and what gullible sheep we all are.