tazinib1 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I love all the Patriot homers coming out of the woodwork screaming SCIENCE. Ummmmm yeah you lose PSI due to cold conditions but it's painfully obvious this wasn't the case. 2lb PSI loss AFTER halftime??? ok good luck with that theory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeductiveNun Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I love all the Patriot homers coming out of the woodwork screaming SCIENCE. Ummmmm yeah you lose PSI due to cold conditions but it's painfully obvious this wasn't the case. 2lb PSI loss AFTER halftime??? ok good luck with that theory You ever see what balls look like after sitting in a jacuzzi of ice water for 15 minutes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sksmith Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 You ever see what balls look like after sitting in a jacuzzi of ice water for 15 minutes? There's a hint of implication here that your research sample size isn't limited to just your own...you're a looker at the sauna, aren't you?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Excerpt from Linked Article So apparently no they do not. yes, this is all very interesting, and something i did not know (that each team supplied its own footballs for offense, tailored to its QBs preferences and specs) until "DeflationGate"...so, how about this, NFL? why not adopt a rule whereby each team uses the SAME friggin' balls, supplied by the LEAGUE and inflated to a precise, STANDARD psi, and instead of having someone from each team's equipment staff manage the balls during game play, hire some additional officials for the sole purpose of keeping track of the official game balls? geez, many of the "issues" seen in the NFL are self-induced, and could be solved using basic logic and common sense...if only i were king for a day...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 This is NOT what the NFL wants for the biggest story going into the biggest game of the year. i don't necessisarily always subscribe to this therory, but some PR folks would argue that ANY publicity is "good" publicity...think about it, though, with "DeflationGate" in the news, some folks may be intrigued enough to just tune in to the SB to see if those "cheating patriots" get their just reward... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 go seahawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I heard today that the ref does inspect each of the game balls and puts a stamp on each of them before the start. This is as much of an issue to these procedures as it is looking for a competitive advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WashingtonD Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 They broke the rules. They got caught. It was stupid and I do think the Pats push the envelope on the rules. They also were gonna win that game no matter what and there is a defined punishment for their rule breakage. All the other talk on both sides is a waste of breath. I'm more interested in how the super bowl is going to play out and instead of breakdowns of that all im seeing is ballgate nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Screw the seahawks agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I love all the Patriot homers coming out of the woodwork screaming SCIENCE. Ummmmm yeah you lose PSI due to cold conditions but it's painfully obvious this wasn't the case. 2lb PSI loss AFTER halftime??? ok good luck with that theory If it was just the weather, the balls the Colts used would also be underinflated. Which makes me wonder, when one team's balls are taken for examination, is SOP to take the other teams as well (because if you find something wrong you know the team caught will say "they did it too"). Or the balls had a leak, right all but one of them and they all leaked the same. Maybe they'll say the balls lost that air after they were confiscated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I love all the Patriot homers coming out of the woodwork screaming SCIENCE. Ummmmm yeah you lose PSI due to cold conditions but it's painfully obvious this wasn't the case. 2lb PSI loss AFTER halftime??? ok good luck with that theory I don't know the answer to any of these questions but the answers should exist and this is all that would be required in order to prove or debunk the the science. 1. What pressure did the official measure pregame? 2. What was the ambient temperature? Which is more a question of was the measurement done indoors or outdoors. 3. Need the same information for the postgame test. It's really simple to correct pressure for varying temperature. I would be shocked if this is not part of their process already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Plus the balls were checked at halftime. Meaning any natural deflation to all 11 balls would have occurred in 2 Quarters at 51degrees yep....good luck with that Edited January 21, 2015 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojanmojo Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 You ever see what balls look like after sitting in a jacuzzi of ice water for 15 minutes? Are you saying there was ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Like I said, makes no difference in this game . . . but would anybody be surprised to find out that K balls were also being tampered with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboyz1 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) What? You mean to tell me they let the "Teams" provide the game balls and expect them to put the right amount to pressure in them without figuring out what the best or most advantageous pressure is for their QB and WRs then apply that information to the game balls. NOoo, say it ain't so. They may as well give them the choice of picking their own refs and running their own clock too. You mean to tell me they let the teams control the balls and never thought they would do something to them to gain a competitive edge, even if it's only perceived. I guess it's just too much to ask the league to supply the balls, inflate them prior to the game, and control them throughout the game so as to insure there is no such tampering. Funny, I never thought they would leave the ball control up the the teams. I always assumed the refs had a guy that took care of making sure the balls were regulation. Silly me. Stupid NFL for not controlling that part of the game. The ball should be the same used for both teams and neither team should have sole access or control over the ball used. That makes no sense at all. Just asking for someone to take advantage of the situation and leave it to NE to figure out how. Edited January 22, 2015 by Cowboyz1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Heard on the radio that the Ravens tipped off the Colts that they thought the Pats were trucking with the game balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Heard on the radio that the Ravens tipped off the Colts that they thought the Pats were trucking with the game balls. I'd heard that it was something they suspected from their meeting earlier in the season. My guess is that most of this honda is made up by someone in the media just to fill a story with some new tidbit of information just so it doesn't sound like the exact same crap being regurgitated ad nauseam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'd heard that it was something they suspected from their meeting earlier in the season. My guess is that most of this honda is made up by someone in the media just to fill a story with some new tidbit of information just so it doesn't sound like the exact same crap being regurgitated ad nauseam. Isn't that their job, take some popular story, add 2 words of "we got this from an unnamed source", paraphrase and link to numerous other stories on the same subject. I think most teams suspect the Pats particularly and all teams in general of cheating. But this was a smoking gun, a ball handed to an equipment staff of the opposing team who's going to be pretty keen on what the balls should feel like at the proper pressure. And today Belichik had a press conference to basically say - I know nothing, we did nothing. - I was not aware of those rules (BS!) Maybe he thinks people will believe he isn't fully versed in all rules/regulations governing the NFL (yeah right, he sleeps with a copy of the rules as a pillow). Or that somebody else in the Pats is responsible and he was not aware (right, Mr. control freak wasn't behind or aware of it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 "If he didn't know then he should have." "Ignorance is no excuse." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) When the Colts gave the officiating crew there list of things to look for during the game, improperly inflated game balls was on the list. The officials were going to check them at halftime regardless and they did and they were within regulation. The entire issue is the balls at the end of the game AFTER HALFTIME mysteriously lost 2lbs of PSI in 2 quarters of play. There is obviously merit to teams wanting to check the game balls. If you have more than one, it's a conspiracy Edited January 22, 2015 by tazinib1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABearWithFurniture Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The backup balls were put in during the 2nd half and they were all inflated correctly...that's about the time the Patriots put up 21 points. So Brady was probably just trying to make the game more interesting in the 1st half and give Luck a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBandit Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The backup balls were put in during the 2nd half and they were all inflated correctly...that's about the time the Patriots put up 21 points. So Brady was probably just trying to make the game more interesting in the 1st half and give Luck a chance. Not during the 2nd half...prior to it. In fact, if you remember, there was a delay getting off the first play of the 2nd half. That delay was due to the fact they the backup-balls were still being inspected, and the refs had accidentally placed a kicking ball at the line-of-scrimmage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA Baracus Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This is an excellent read and interesting take: LINK EDIT: And it's also by one of our very own forum users (Steeltown Dre) Warren's latest article is even more interesting: LINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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