dmarc117 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Man Wearing Anti-Clinton T-Shirt Removed from Senate Gallery at Impeachment Trial Wed Feb 01 2006 08:47:08 ET Cindy Sheehan, the anti-war activist who was removed from the House gallery last night before the State of the Union address for wearing a t-shirt with a political message, is not the first person to be tossed from a Congressional gallery at a high-profile event for wearing a political t-shirt. In the early days of the Senate's impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in January 1999, a Pennsylvania man named Dave Delp was removed by the Capitol police from the Senate gallery for wearing a t-shirt that said, "Clinton doesn't inhale, he sucks." The Pennsylvania school teacher was yanked out of a VIP Senate gallery and briefly detained last week during the impeachment trial for wearing a T-shirt with graphic language dissing President Clinton. Delp, 42, of Carlisle, Pa., and a friend had just settled into their seats when four Capitol security guards approached them. Delp said at the time that he was ordered to button his coat and follow the guards. Outside the chamber, he was told "several people felt threatened by your shirt." Even after establishing that Delp was a guest of Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), the guards wouldn't let him back in and escorted him to a basement security area, where they questioned and photographed him. After being given one of the photos as a souvenir, Delp said he was banned from the Capitol for the rest of the day. "They were polite and professional," Delp added, "but they really did scare me. I think I should have been given the chance to cover up." any comments??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) But would they be arrested? 1299087[/snapback] My point was not against her right to protest as much as her disrupting the Presidents state of the union address to our country. I would think a pro bush person protesting at her sons memorial was just as out of line. Edited February 1, 2006 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhippens Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 i'm going to a meeting for a couple of hours. fight nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 Man Wearing Anti-Clinton T-Shirt Removed from Senate Gallery at Impeachment TrialWed Feb 01 2006 08:47:08 ET Cindy Sheehan, the anti-war activist who was removed from the House gallery last night before the State of the Union address for wearing a t-shirt with a political message, is not the first person to be tossed from a Congressional gallery at a high-profile event for wearing a political t-shirt. In the early days of the Senate's impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in January 1999, a Pennsylvania man named Dave Delp was removed by the Capitol police from the Senate gallery for wearing a t-shirt that said, "Clinton doesn't inhale, he sucks." The Pennsylvania school teacher was yanked out of a VIP Senate gallery and briefly detained last week during the impeachment trial for wearing a T-shirt with graphic language dissing President Clinton. Delp, 42, of Carlisle, Pa., and a friend had just settled into their seats when four Capitol security guards approached them. Delp said at the time that he was ordered to button his coat and follow the guards. Outside the chamber, he was told "several people felt threatened by your shirt." Even after establishing that Delp was a guest of Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), the guards wouldn't let him back in and escorted him to a basement security area, where they questioned and photographed him. After being given one of the photos as a souvenir, Delp said he was banned from the Capitol for the rest of the day. "They were polite and professional," Delp added, "but they really did scare me. I think I should have been given the chance to cover up." any comments??? 1299114[/snapback] Yeah it's BS. The government is here to work for us,our rights. These situtations are horrible and terrible and a violation of our rights. If someone has legal access to the Senate Impeachment Trial and is wearing a shirt and thrown out because of that shirt, that is a violation of their rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) Yeah it's BS. The government is here to work for us,our rights. These situtations are horrible and terrible and a violation of our rights. If someone has legal access to the Senate Impeachment Trial and is wearing a shirt and thrown out because of that shirt, that is a violation of their rights. 1299132[/snapback] I am sure that "legal access" has stipulations attached to it. Ever been admitted into a black tie affair in a t-shirt and shorts? Edited February 1, 2006 by thecerwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yeah it's BS. The government is here to work for us,our rights. These situtations are horrible and terrible and a violation of our rights. If someone has legal access to the Senate Impeachment Trial and is wearing a shirt and thrown out because of that shirt, that is a violation of their rights. 1299132[/snapback] They still have business to do. The Gubment would grind to a halt (like it doesn't already) if every fruitcake was allowed to protest whenever and wherever they pleased. It'd be one protester after another no matter if Republicans/Democrats were in power. They must maintain decorum. I don't see what the big deal is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Don't blame me, I'm Canadian. 1299049[/snapback] Unless it's the medications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 That flag must stand for different things for the two of us ... 1299041[/snapback] Bingo. Yes, indeed it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 ....shaking hands with chavez was disgraceful! 1299065[/snapback] Chavez is a sponsor of terrorism or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 that's all crap. She had not been a distraction at all. They saw her shirt and arrested her. period. Un-american. Doesn't matter if you agree with her point of view or not. 1299023[/snapback] I'm not saying you are wrong, but at this point are you sure you have a full and accurate accounting of all the facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Face Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 It's not what the t-shirt said, it violated a rule in the chamber about protests or political statements or something like that. 1299113[/snapback] exactly....there's a certain dress code in the house. No protesting-esque stuff allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Cliaz (and anyone else supporting Sheehan, really), You should also try to keep in mind that the Secret Service and any accompanying security they use is generally exceptionally touchy about the safety of the President. In the case of this president, they are even more touchy because of all of the whackjob, kookoo haters. You could make an arguement that Sheehan is stalking the POTUS. They aren't going to be very tolerant of her conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 exactly....there's a certain dress code in the house. No protesting-esque stuff allowed. 1299277[/snapback] Florida Rep.'s Wife Says She Was Ejected From State Of Union POSTED: 7:07 am EST February 1, 2006 ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, told a newspaper that she was ejected during the State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that says, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom." Beverly Young told the St. Petersburg Times that she was sitting in the front row of the House gallery Tuesday night when she was approached by someone who told her she needed to leave. She said she reluctantly agreed, but argued with several officers in an outside hallway. In a telephone interview with the newspaper, Young said she told them her shirt wasn't a protest but a message of support. Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Young wasn't ejected from the gallery and she left on her own. She couldn't provide additional details. Young's husband found out about the incident after Bush's speech and called it unacceptable. Why wasn't she arrested? She argued with police ... Is the real problem here content of the speech? Does Rep. Young find Sheehan's arrest "unacceptable" ...? Interesting issues here ... I dont think anyone should be expelled from a public forum for political content on their t-shirt (or tie) ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 I'm not saying you are wrong, but at this point are you sure you have a full and accurate accounting of all the facts? 1299265[/snapback] Nope, I'm pretty sure I don't. But I am quick to do snap judgement and since I hate bush and all of his lackies, I posted. In all honesty I'm sure she might have overstep herself. BUT it is her right to wear it and if she had an invite and removed her only because of her T-shirt, then it's wrong. If she started raising a fuss, then i'm sure they have reason to remove it. BUT to charge her with unlawful conduct.......... Cliaz (and anyone else supporting Sheehan, really), You should also try to keep in mind that the Secret Service and any accompanying security they use is generally exceptionally touchy about the safety of the President. In the case of this president, they are even more touchy because of all of the whackjob, kookoo haters. You could make an arguement that Sheehan is stalking the POTUS. They aren't going to be very tolerant of her conduct. 1299290[/snapback] /agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yeah it's BS. The government is here to work for us,our rights. These situtations are horrible and terrible and a violation of our rights. If someone has legal access to the Senate Impeachment Trial and is wearing a shirt and thrown out because of that shirt, that is a violation of their rights. 1299132[/snapback] you gotta f'n be kidding me. of all the things to get pissed off about, you've got your panties in a bunch because they have and enforce rules of decorum in the halls of congress? some looney lady dog can't get national TV face time turning the state of the union into her own personal protest, and america is dying? get a grip, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Florida Rep.'s Wife Says She Was Ejected From State Of Union POSTED: 7:07 am EST February 1, 2006 ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The wife of Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, told a newspaper that she was ejected during the State of the Union address for wearing a T-shirt that says, "Support the Troops Defending Our Freedom." Beverly Young told the St. Petersburg Times that she was sitting in the front row of the House gallery Tuesday night when she was approached by someone who told her she needed to leave. She said she reluctantly agreed, but argued with several officers in an outside hallway. In a telephone interview with the newspaper, Young said she told them her shirt wasn't a protest but a message of support. Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said Young wasn't ejected from the gallery and she left on her own. She couldn't provide additional details. Young's husband found out about the incident after Bush's speech and called it unacceptable. Why wasn't she arrested? She argued with police ... Is the real problem here content of the speech? Does Rep. Young find Sheehan's arrest "unacceptable" ...? Interesting issues here ... I dont think anyone should be expelled from a public forum for political content on their t-shirt (or tie) ... 1299292[/snapback] probably because she was asked to leave and did. did sheehan do the same? or did she pull the "hell no we wont go" bullchit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 you gotta f'n be kidding me. of all the things to get pissed off about, you've got your panties in a bunch because they have and enforce rules of decorum in the halls of congress? some looney lady dog can't get national TV face time turning the state of the union into her own personal protest, and america is dying? get a grip, man. 1299352[/snapback] No, I got my panties in a bunch because they charged her with unlawful conduct which is punishable by up to 1 year in prison for wearing a t-shirt. :taps hisforehead: Pay attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 If a right winger was thrown out of a Clinton presidential address because he/she wore a shirt with anti-abortion slogans or pro-god in public school slogans, the current Bushuckses would be going freakin nuts ... You fokking hyprocrit, did you read the post top of page 2? Of course you did Oprahcake. The grinning idiot clinging to Je$$e Jack$on is Cindy Sheehan... the sob sister protesting the war at Bush's ranch, who lost her son in the war, the same son she gave up in her divorce when he was 7 years old. And by the way if you wonder why she has so much free time ... she is going through another divorce right now and guess what? She is giving up custody of another son. eat that schit moran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 No, I got my panties in a bunch because they charged her with unlawful conduct which is punishable by up to 1 year in prison for wearing a t-shirt. :taps hisforehead: Pay attention. 1299357[/snapback] Why do you hate the justice system? You can be charged with anything anytime. That doesn't make you guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Sorry, but this is just not a big deal. It wasn't a big deal when what's his face did it to Clinton, and it's not a big deal this time either. There are lawful and effective ways to protest. A number of people simply wanted to disrupt the State of the Union address, which is at best immature. She'll be fine Cliaz, and so will you and your rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampnuts Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I really doubt they wanted her in there in the first place, and the T-shirt was the excuse they needed to toss her out. When Bush made the gesture to the family of the soldier that died (after reading his letter), and they got the standing ovation (deserved), do you guys think Sheahan would have stayed quiet or yelled something from the gallery? I doubt the Bush crowd was willing to take that chance. They knew an outburst from her at that moment would have ruined his whole address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 No, I got my panties in a bunch because they charged her with unlawful conduct which is punishable by up to 1 year in prison for wearing a t-shirt. :taps hisforehead: Pay attention. 1299357[/snapback] a year in prison yeah right. she was arrested, booked, and released. like any fruity protester or town drunk who is making a ruckus when and where they shouldn't be. all she had to do was comply with the officers' request that she cover up the protest garb in accordance with the rules of the chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 thats what is so funny.... she couldve sat there covered up and then at the right time made an outburst. instead she was dumb and had to show everyone what she was up to!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 You fokking hyprocrit, did you read the post top of page 2? Of course you did Oprahcake. eat that schit moran. 1299409[/snapback] Sure did H8, and that guy was a "cause celebre" for the right wingers at the time ... Proving my point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Cut Cliaz some slack, he's obviously off his nut due to the lack of sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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