cre8tiff Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) You guys are making me blush BTW who would I have to talk to in order to get a Twoobs graemlin Just doesn't cut it like the old bouncy ones did. That sux. Oh, and: Edited June 8, 2006 by cre8tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Hmmmmph. Didn't get fired, didn't go to jail, didn't even take a dump in his manager's drawer. No way I want to party with this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I simply pulled up my job description and told him I am doing nothing outside of what is listed and therefore I will no longer do any engineering prep. Needless to say I have a meeting with HR/Boss/Director next monday Did the description have a catchall phrase found in many formal duties: "...and other duties as assigned"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgemoe Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Boy do I feel jilted. But there was always the Twoobs sighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) At least tell us you manned up and told him how much the other group was slackin' and their demeaning comments to you about doing doughnuts work. Edit: what the hell are doughnuts? Dang filter! Edited June 8, 2006 by I Like Soup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Needless to say I have a meeting with HR/Boss/Director next monday Sorry man, those meetings either mean you're getting a warning or they're letting you go. I would make sure you come to that meeting fully prepared to throw a few people under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 You guys are making me blush BTW who would I have to talk to in order to get a Twoobs graemlin Get back to work woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Sorry man, those meetings either mean you're getting a warning or they're letting you go. I would make sure you come to that meeting fully prepared to throw a few people under the bus. Something doesn't add up. When the boss and HR decide to reprimand an employee (or fire one), the meeting isn't planned in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Sorry but I had to cool off after the fireworks. Didn't think I'd get you all stirred up so I'm sorry about that. Anyways it pretty much went how you would expect I would handle it. I simply pulled up my job description and told him I am doing nothing outside of what is listed and therefore I will no longer do any engineering prep. Needless to say I have a meeting with HR/Boss/Director next monday If you use a briefcase or backpack, I have two important words for you - "office supplies" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote Quimby2 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) You guys are making me blush BTW who would I have to talk to in order to get a Twoobs graemlin guess we will have to use thes since i didn't see the old bouncing ones. edit: chit, cre8tiff already covered this Edited June 8, 2006 by Vote Quimby2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 guess we will have to use thes since i didn't see the old bouncing ones. edit: chit, cre8tiff already covered this Well, you are the bouncing boob guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Something doesn't add up. When the boss and HR decide to reprimand an employee (or fire one), the meeting isn't planned in advance. It's a corporation. If all cliaz did was raise concern he was asking to perform duties outside the scope of his job description, that is not a basis for firing. In corporate America, you need to build cases for firing. At least that has been my corporate experience. Anyone I have had to can, I had to build a case over time to do so. This meeting may be a grievance meeting, with the HR person acting as an ombudsman. OR they may actually have listened to him and are gathering info to nail the slackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I am at least happy that there was no violence. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 guess we will have to use thes since i didn't see the old bouncing ones. edit: chit, cre8tiff already covered this I don't blame him, plenty of folks just skim over my posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Something doesn't add up. When the boss and HR decide to reprimand an employee (or fire one), the meeting isn't planned in advance. Yeah you may be right but what else could it be? A raise usually just involves HR. A firing or a warning typically involves 2 or more people. Well, that's at least how we do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) This meeting may be a grievance meeting, with the HR person acting as an ombudsman. OR they may actually have listened to him and are gathering info to nail the slackers. Good call. But according to Cliaz, he just pulled out his job description and said that wasn't one of them. He never mentioned the shirkers to his boss, unless I missed that post. Edited June 8, 2006 by twiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Yeah you may be right but what else could it be? A raise usually just involves HR. A firing or a warning typically involves 2 or more people. Well, that's at least how we do it. It definitely isn't a firing. Any large corporation would not schedule that meeting 4 days in advance. It's usually an unexpected meeting followed by HR escorting you to your desk with an empty box for your personal belongings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Misfit Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 We always plan in advance. What we don't do is tell people that HR is involved. Everyone knows that if you are called into your direct supervisor's office for a meeting, and an HR person is there when you show up, you're toast. I mean, sometimes those things are planned weeks in advance. The guy gets an email to show up at his boss' office for a meeting, a purpose for the meeting is usually made up, then you walk in, see HR, and you know before you leave you'll be asked to sign a paper waiving your rights to sue in order to get your severance. We get 30 days to sign the waiver. They are almost always escorted out by security, just to make a statement. Heck, we had one VP who lost his job and didn't find out about it until he tried to come to work the day after New Year's. He found out from security he no longer worked there. That decision was made a couple months in advance. And not all corporatations require you to build a case, especially if the issue has more to do with attitude than performance. As long as you are dealing with at-will employment, you just can't fire someone for an illegal reason. You can certainly hand them a severance check and tell them to have a nice life, though, essentially firing them for no reason at all. If they are really scared, they can "eliminate" the position, only to repost it a couple months later -- we do that all the time, too. Hope it's none of those things, of course. But I'd prepare for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Good call. But according to Cliaz, he just pulled out his job description and said that wasn't one of them. He never mentioned the shirkers to his boss, unless I missed that post. He had told his boss about the slackers prior to the boss even going into the meeting. He whipped out the job diescription after the boss returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 It definitely isn't a firing. Any large corporation would not schedule that meeting 4 days in advance. It's usually an unexpected meeting followed by HR escorting you to your desk with an empty box for your personal belongings. And they always fire on a Friday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 And they always fire on a Friday afternoon. Not always but it's usually at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 And they always fire on a Friday afternoon. I always did. This way I get to go home and get drunk after having to tell someone they're done. It made me feel better and that's what matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 This story is worse than the ghey Sopranos episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 This story is worse than the ghey Sopranos episodes. Hate to say it but from what I can gather, management stuck it to cliaz again and the only highlight was him showing his job desciption which promptly led to a scheduled meeting with HR/his boss/and the director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Hate to say it but from what I can gather, management stuck it to cliaz again ... I'm sure that's what you'd gather when you're only hearing Cliaz's side of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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