Big Score 1 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Right, it's the line's fault. Bill The Falcon's O'line excels at run blocking, executing Alex Gibbs zone blocking scheme to perfection, but they're only average at pass blocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Have you ever played football other than fantasy football? I doubt it based off these remarks. Whatever you say pal ... but I stand by my statement. I consider Vick as my franchise QB ONLY if my primary interest is in putting butts in seats. If I want to win championships then I look elsewhere. Vick's style is NOT condusive to winning playoff games and never will be. However, many are simply content to have mediocre teams that make the playoffs on occassion but never make it to the big show, let alone win it all - if this is all you want in a team then by all means Vick fits the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Never heard of David Rivers... ...but I'd still take him over Vick... Don't quit your day job for the chance at an NFL's GM job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Well, before all the Vick lovers get too carried away with yesterday's success, here's a list of the currently active QBs who have 4 TD passes in a game in their career: Of that list, only Kelly Holcombe & Kerry Collins took longer than being in their 6th year in the league (like Vick) before accomplishing the feat. Of course Vick barely started his 1st year & had almost all of 2003 wiped out to a broken leg...so it's not realllyyyy 6 years is it BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Bill The Falcon's O'line excels at run blocking, executing Alex Gibbs zone blocking scheme to perfection, but they're only average at pass blocking. I realize that, but they're not as bad as WaterD0uche is implying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) Of course Vick barely started his 1st year & had almost all of 2003 wiped out to a broken leg...so it's not realllyyyy 6 years is it BB? Of course it is. He was supposed to have gone to the NFC Championship as a rookie and then he was supposed to win the Superbowl with a broken leg. It all makes perfect sense. Edited October 23, 2006 by WaterMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Of course Vick barely started his 1st year & had almost all of 2003 wiped out to a broken leg...so it's not realllyyyy 6 years is it BB? Well now that you mention it ... Vick is a bit injury prone ... another mark against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Well now that you mention it ... Vick is a bit injury prone ... another mark against him. Hmmm QB's with injuries missing games... McNabb - Broken Ankle - Sports Hernia Palmer - the ACL, MCL combo Culpepper - the dreaded triad of ACL, MCL, PCL Brees - Rotator Cuff Pennington - The Bionic Shoulder Trent Green - Currently the "I'm Batman" Concussion & the Entire 1999 season with ACL Drew Bledsomuch - Punctured Lung And the list goes on & on.... C'mon Blitz...you usually have better contributions than that lame stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) 2006 - 7 TDs, 5 INTs, 5 FBs/1 FBL 2005 - 15 TDs, 13 INTs, 11 FBs/5 FBL 2004 - 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 16 FBs/7 FBL 2003 - 4 TDs, 3 INTs, 4 FBs/1 FBL 2002 - 16 TDs, 8 INTs, 9 FBs/6 FBL 2001 - 2 TDs, 3 INTs, 6 FBs/5 FBL He has ALWAYS turned the ball over as many or more times than he has thrown a TD except in 2002 when he had 16 TDs (career high) and only 14 turnovers. Additionally as many have pointed out Vick has fewer pass attempts than other QBs which means he throws MORE interceptions per pass attempts than other QBs (reflected in his poor passer rating). That doesn't look like a top notch QB to me ... name another QB in the league that would keep his job with those types of numbers ... the last one that comes to mind is Kordell Stewart. Edited October 23, 2006 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzkek Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Wow! Vick had one good game throwing the ball and the Vick lovers flip out like it's Christmas morning. Reading this thread (which is entirely too long) makes me think I'm watching ESPN drool all over an overrated player. Let's see some consistency out of the athlete before we crown him a legit quarterback in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Of course Vick barely started his 1st year & had almost all of 2003 wiped out to a broken leg...so it's not realllyyyy 6 years is it BB? Do you measure Vick years & everyone else's years as different somehow? I guess Vick is so special that he gets his own measurement of time as opposed to the rest of the known universe. Vick gets hurt so much because he runs so much. That's part of the deal with him. If you want to use that as an excuse for his poor passing performance, well, it's imaginative for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Never heard of David Rivers... ...but I'd still take him over Vick... D'oh! Philip Rivers, of course. But it was my pleasure to offer up the softball that you quickly drove over the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I'm not a hater, since he's on my team. But I will say his timing for having a career day sucks! Who here would've started him vs. PIT when you also have Hasselbeck at home vs. MIN? Thanks a lot, Mr. Vick. And Hass goes down (for 2-4 weeks) after a lousy 1st half. Dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 2006 - 7 TDs, 5 INTs, 5 FBs/1 FBL 2005 - 15 TDs, 13 INTs, 11 FBs/5 FBL 2004 - 14 TDs, 12 INTs, 16 FBs/7 FBL 2003 - 4 TDs, 3 INTs, 4 FBs/1 FBL 2002 - 16 TDs, 8 INTs, 9 FBs/6 FBL 2001 - 2 TDs, 3 INTs, 6 FBs/5 FBL He has ALWAYS turned the ball over as many or more times than he has thrown a TD except in 2002 when he had 16 TDs (career high) and only 14 turnovers. Additionally as many have pointed out Vick has fewer pass attempts than other QBs which means he throws MORE interceptions per pass attempts than other QBs (reflected in his poor passer rating). That doesn't look like a top notch QB to me ... name another QB in the league that would keep his job with those types of numbers ... the last one that comes to mind is Kordell Stewart. Yeah it's a good idea not to include rushing TDs since they don't count on the scoreboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 D'oh! Philip Rivers, of course. But it was my pleasure to offer up the softball that you quickly drove over the fence. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceboy Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Real life, not a "great" quarterback. Was overrated, now underrated fantasy quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Yeah it's a good idea not to include rushing TDs since they don't count on the scoreboard. For my part, I've often conceded that as a NFL QB, Vick makes for a great NFL RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) Yeah it's a good idea not to include rushing TDs since they don't count on the scoreboard. We are discussing his attributes as a QB aren't we and not a RB? Like BB I will concede that he might make a better RB than QB. Putting that aside, does the fact that he has some rushing TDs lessen the number of turnovers? Edited October 23, 2006 by Grits and Shins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Best player in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Best player in the league. Doesn't being the best usually involve exceptional production when compared with other players at his position, much less amongst all players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Best running quarterback on his team Oh I totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Joey Harrington had 417 yards passing and 2 TDs. Where are all his "haters?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) No Blitz, Vick is not in a pass friendly offense, nor has he ever been, because of his Coaches. Dan Reeves has never in his Coaching career EVER run a pass friendly offense, (regardless of who his QB was). You can't be serious can you? Reeves coached John Elway for 2/3's of Elway's career, and Elway is 3rd all time in passing yards behind Marino and the Energizer Bunny in Green Bay. This thread has really given me some chuckles. Vick is fun to watch. Vick fills seats. Vick is not a good QB. IF I were starting a new franchise I can think of about 20-25 QB's I'd rather have than Vick. I will say this though, thanks to his running ability he is a pretty good fantasy football QB, and often under rated in that regard. But in the NFL where every yard counts as a yard, and rushing yards aren't given 2 to 2.5 times as much emphasis, he is a below average QB. Edit to add: And before you go and say that Elways success was more due to having Skelator as a coach later in his career, Elway averaged 6.46 more yards per game under Reeves than he did under Skelator. Edited October 23, 2006 by Perchoutofwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Do you measure Vick years & everyone else's years as different somehow? I guess Vick is so special that he gets his own measurement of time as opposed to the rest of the known universe. If you're barley playing in your rookie year & miss almost all of 2003, not sure how that = 6 years of playing time, unless in your world there's a black hole bending the space time continum Vick gets hurt so much because he runs so much. That's part of the deal with him. If you want to use that as an excuse for his poor passing performance, well, it's imaginative for sure. This is BS. The year he broke his ankle, he was staying back behind the line of scrimmage looking to pass. When he got knocked out of the Minn game last year it was again, taking a shot while in the pocket. Vick has taken far more solid hits staying in the pocket, than he ever has scrambling. But when you don't actually watch the Falcons games, you end up parroting what all the other sheep who don't watch the Falcons say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 But when you don't actually watch the Falcons games, you end up parroting what all the other sheep who don't watch the Falcons say. This argument is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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