TimC Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 uh, that's about seven percentage points higher than what I expected Well, the Corvettes aren't really GM...they're built with far more quality. Same with Cadillacs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 That's pretty much the guy I've been my entire life. Here's a list of my cars since I graduated college: 1995 Dodge Neon 1997 Ford Taurus (wife totaled it after 9 months) 1998 Ford Taurus (but this time I went for the leather seats and moon roof with chrome rims ) 2003 Chrylser Pacifica 2007 Honda Accord I've been a practical car driving momo since day 1. I don't need the family car any longer. My wife has a Chevy Traverse that we can go anywhere we want in with extra room. I want to finally drive something I actually like. Maybe it is a 'phase' but damn it, I want to enjoy my next car. At least it has a back seat that will fit my kids (only) when we want to cruise around and have a little fun. Oh and I'll have to look into that subwoofer I wouldn't mind bumpin' some MC Breed through the neighborhood. That list might make me want to drive a Camaro too. Growing up, I remember when my dad traded in our conversion van for a new Camaro. He loved that car. He was an accountant... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Well, the Corvettes aren't really GM...they're built with far more quality. Same with Cadillacs. The finished Cadillac CTS's used to be parked in a lot less than a mile from the school where I work. Now the lots are empty and filling up with weeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I swear when I read the thread title I thought it said Atomoronic Schtick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 This is huge for me. I bought the Vibe for my wife, and made it a stick, explicitly because I never wanted her (or any of our kids) to be trapped anywhere because they didn't know how to drive a stick. Also, I wanted to expose her to why I get all worked up about cars--just like she's in my main local league, and just I ask her to read my Lions blog and give input. This summer, I noticed her developing a habit of making excuses to take the Vibe out by herself. When I finally mentioned it, she said "I don't know, I just really like driving it. I just feel so much more involved, you know? It's actually fun." That was a good day. Peace policy I did the exact same thing when we bought the Fusion - 4-cyl, 5-speed. Wife had never driven a manual, and now she absolutely LOVES it. But if we had any real traffic to drive in we'd have bought an auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) Seriously, if you think driving a manual in traffic would suck - get the auto. I suggest driving something with a well set up manual long enough to get used to it. As others have said, having a manual at your command is more exciting and fuller driving experience. The 'vette I drove for a few days last year with paddle shifters was awfully sweet too. Vroom vroom indeed! Edited December 3, 2009 by Jimmy Neutron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 as others have mentioned, it comes down to what will work for you. if you forsee a lot of traffic in your future and don't want to deal with a stick.......... go automatic. as a car guy i can't see myself getting anything but a manual. i believe that the driving experience and performance is diluted with an automatic. but... how important is that to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I drove stick for quite a few years in the 70's thru the early 80's. They were economy cars like wiegie's, plus I was doing 90% hiway driving. Don't get me started on trying to teach my wife. It was a nightmare! Dam....she still looks down at the shifter to figger out where she is! Imagine that if she drove stick??? I know a lot of you have said that stick will increase the value of a NEW muscle car. I think it's the opposite as far as later sale is concerned. Stick may seem cool, but the average person can't drive it! Add the fact that many car makers add the "slap stick" and have optimized shifting and few if any could compete or be better than the car's electronics. A good friend of mine owns a 1972 Corvette, 454, bought it new but has done some major tweaks. In it's day and still fairly current it's a <12 sec. car. I have been w/ him when we blew past Chevelles, Goats, and more. He has an auto, but plays it like a stick. My point is stay w/ auto! The value will be better down the road. BTW...for all of you Corvette enthusiasts go to: corvette Franky has a nice site and is a vette guru! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTheWebToedBoy Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 In 94 I bought a Mustang GT, stick (still have it, and take it out on the road). I just recently bought an 09 Challenger, Auto. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I like the Auto more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I drove stick for quite a few years in the 70's thru the early 80's. They were economy cars like wiegie's, plus I was doing 90% hiway driving. Don't get me started on trying to teach my wife. It was a nightmare! Dam....she still looks down at the shifter to figger out where she is! Imagine that if she drove stick??? I know a lot of you have said that stick will increase the value of a NEW muscle car. I think it's the opposite as far as later sale is concerned. Stick may seem cool, but the average person can't drive it! Add the fact that many car makers add the "slap stick" and have optimized shifting and few if any could compete or be better than the car's electronics. A good friend of mine owns a 1972 Corvette, 454, bought it new but has done some major tweaks. In it's day and still fairly current it's a <12 sec. car. I have been w/ him when we blew past Chevelles, Goats, and more. He has an auto, but plays it like a stick. My point is stay w/ auto! The value will be better down the road. BTW...for all of you Corvette enthusiasts go to: corvette Franky has a nice site and is a vette guru! All this time and you're only now hooking us with your buddies site? Shame on you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 All this time and you're only now hooking us with your buddies site? Shame on you! I'm sure I posted it before. John... a little help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) I'm sure I posted it before. John... a little help. http://forums.thehuddle.com/index.php?show...0&p=2326072 And Kid Cid replied to that then. edit: I did post something contrary to this Edited December 4, 2009 by Big John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I know a lot of you have said that stick will increase the value of a NEW muscle car. I think it's the opposite as far as later sale is concerned. I agree. It didn't appear to me that the middle aged woman who was driving the Camaro that I saw yesterday was shifting manually. Kidding aside, given that many people who are buying that car (particularly the non-SS trim level) are not auto enthusiasts, you can presume that most persons buying it will want an automatic transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 i prefer the shifter on the steering wheel in my italian sports cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 i prefer the shifter on the steering wheel in my italian sports cars Or a black SUV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Or a black SUV yea......sports utility vehicle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 One thing Robn alluded to...the paddle shifters standard on many higher end autos. Maybe kinda gets you a best if both worlds. Still obviously not the same level of integrated experience and control of a manual clutch, but seems like a decent compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 yea......suburban utility vehicle fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The finished Cadillac CTS's used to be parked in a lot less than a mile from the school where I work. Now the lots are empty and filling up with weeds. Not the CTS...but in the same line: 75 more workers laid off at Bowling Green GM plant Posted: Dec 16, 2009 4:18 PM EST Updated: Dec 16, 2009 4:18 PM EST BOWLING GREEN, KY - As 75 more workers have been indefinitely laid off from General Motors' Corvette assembly plant in the western Kentucky city of Bowling Green, those who remain say 2009 was one tough year. Just about the only good news the General Motors Bowling Green Assembly Plant has received is word that no temporary shutdowns are scheduled for 2010. The Daily News of Bowling Green reports the plant was temporarily shut down for a total of 26 weeks this year. A company spokeswoman says production has slowed at the plant from 18.5 cars an hour to 8 as demand for luxury vehicles has dwindled. Earlier this year, the plant stopped production of the Cadillac XLR. The plant once had 1,100 workers, but by the beginning of December, it employed just 486. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Earlier this year, the plant stopped production of the Cadillac XLR. That car wasn't very good. It wasn't just the economy that caused its demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 That car wasn't very good. It wasn't just the economy that caused its demise. It was so far overpriced and marketed like an old man's Corvette....ummm, the Corvettes of today drive and ride like a Cadillac for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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