bpwallace49 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Court's will bend over backwards to avoid making a difficult decision. They have plenty of outs on this one. Exactly. Reference the 2004 election results as exhibit A . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Yeah, but did they wrap the brief in rich, Corinthian leather? VERY good point. BTW, what exactly is "Corinthian Leather"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 BTW, what exactly is "Corinthian Leather"? A marketing catchphrase at that phrase was never used before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Obama was president enough when they wanted our taxpayer dollars for a bailout. Freakin' hypocrite D-bags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady.hawke Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Furd - no offense but it's this type of statement that causes part of the problem. It HAS been solved. He has produced relevant documents that are verifiable by the Secratary of State of Hawaii. It's solved and settled. These lawsuits are essentially the equivalent of arguing the sky is not blue and you just left the door open to that possibility. This case is closed. Obama was eligible and the sky is blue - unless you live on a birther planet. To imply it isn't is to say he's been faking this since his first election, his senate election and the general one. It never happened. Actually, he has not produced an actual birth certificate - the sort that we all have for our children, with a foot print and a doctor's signature. What Obama has produced is not even considered proof by Hawaii that he was born there. Obama has announced that he was born in two different Hawaiian hospitals, then retracted one of those announcements. So, where in Hawaii do they hang the plaque? The one the says, "President Obama was born here." Right now, no one can answer that question. The Secretary of State of Hawaii has said nothing. Some lower official has made a vague statement that has no actual meaning. I could go on, with more evidence that the thing he posted means little - and I shall if challenged - but, once again it is not the issue. I do not believe he was born in Hawaii, but I'll stipulate that he was. One of the challenges of this lawsuit is that he is not eligible to be the POTUS because he is not a "natural born" citizen as The Constitution requires. Most scholars believe that the founders meant that to mean someone born on the land of TWO citizen parents. Obama cannot claim that heritage. Furd has raised some interesting points about what might happen. I have read many opinions on that. No one really knows because the Founders did not account for the possibility that an ineligible President could be elected. The consensus seems to be that if found to be ineligibly elected, he could not be impeached, because that is a procedure to remove a legally elected President. Some think he would have to be arrested, that seems extreme to me, but whatever would happen must be legal. There is little disagreement that everything he did while the supposed POTUS would be unconstitutional. Who would become President would be another quagmire. Yes there would be civil unrest, should he be removed. I guess at that point everyone would have to decide to uphold The Constitution, or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Actually, he has not produced an actual birth certificate - the sort that we all have for our children, with a foot print and a doctor's signature. What Obama has produced is not even considered proof by Hawaii that he was born there. Obama has announced that he was born in two different Hawaiian hospitals, then retracted one of those announcements. So, where in Hawaii do they hang the plaque? The one the says, "President Obama was born here." Right now, no one can answer that question. The Secretary of State of Hawaii has said nothing. Some lower official has made a vague statement that has no actual meaning. I could go on, with more evidence that the thing he posted means little - and I shall if challenged - but, once again it is not the issue. I do not believe he was born in Hawaii, but I'll stipulate that he was. One of the challenges of this lawsuit is that he is not eligible to be the POTUS because he is not a "natural born" citizen as The Constitution requires. Most scholars believe that the founders meant that to mean someone born on the land of TWO citizen parents. Obama cannot claim that heritage. This has all been disproved dozens of times over. Perhaps you should fact check somewhere other than radical blogs. On the bright side, you have plenty of baloney for a sammich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Actually, he has not produced an actual birth certificate - the sort that we all have for our children, with a foot print and a doctor's signature. What Obama has produced is not even considered proof by Hawaii that he was born there. Obama has announced that he was born in two different Hawaiian hospitals, then retracted one of those announcements. So, where in Hawaii do they hang the plaque? The one the says, "President Obama was born here." Right now, no one can answer that question. The Secretary of State of Hawaii has said nothing. Some lower official has made a vague statement that has no actual meaning. Do you really think that if any of this trite BS had teeth that SOMEBODY would have found a smoking gun by now? If not - than it would speak loud and clear to the completely inept nature of any political opponent, journalist or blogger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Yeah, but did they wrap the brief in rich, Corinthian leather? ZOMKHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 VERY good point. BTW, what exactly is "Corinthian Leather"? In the Bible , Paul wrote a ton of letters to the Corinthians. I always assumed at one point the Corinthians may have been like Look guys another letter from Paul. Jeez will Paul ever ease up on these letters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 In the Bible , Paul wrote a ton of letters to the Corinthians. I always assumed at one point the Corinthians may have been like Look guys another letter from Paul. Jeez will Paul ever ease up on these letters Those letters became the basis for organization of the Church as a network. Without them, Christianity may have remained as Jesus wanted it, instead of becoming the juggernaut it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 No fury whatsoever. I am only passing along information that I know most of you will not be exposed to. Please ask questions if I was unclear, which apparently was the case. Sign me up for your email forwards please. You can never argue against those legitimate sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Actually, he has not produced an actual birth certificate - the sort that we all have for our children, with a foot print and a doctor's signature. What Obama has produced is not even considered proof by Hawaii that he was born there. Obama has announced that he was born in two different Hawaiian hospitals, then retracted one of those announcements. So, where in Hawaii do they hang the plaque? The one the says, "President Obama was born here." Right now, no one can answer that question. The Secretary of State of Hawaii has said nothing. Some lower official has made a vague statement that has no actual meaning. I could go on, with more evidence that the thing he posted means little - and I shall if challenged - but, once again it is not the issue. I do not believe he was born in Hawaii, but I'll stipulate that he was. One of the challenges of this lawsuit is that he is not eligible to be the POTUS because he is not a "natural born" citizen as The Constitution requires. Most scholars believe that the founders meant that to mean someone born on the land of TWO citizen parents. Obama cannot claim that heritage. Furd has raised some interesting points about what might happen. I have read many opinions on that. No one really knows because the Founders did not account for the possibility that an ineligible President could be elected. The consensus seems to be that if found to be ineligibly elected, he could not be impeached, because that is a procedure to remove a legally elected President. Some think he would have to be arrested, that seems extreme to me, but whatever would happen must be legal. There is little disagreement that everything he did while the supposed POTUS would be unconstitutional. Who would become President would be another quagmire. Yes there would be civil unrest, should he be removed. I guess at that point everyone would have to decide to uphold The Constitution, or not. You're flat out making stuff up. He was born in Hawaii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) Those letters became the basis for organization of the Church as a network. Without them, Christianity may have remained as Jesus wanted it, instead of becoming the juggernaut it is today. You mean wandering around unemployed, letting others feed you, hanging out with prostitutes, turning water into wine, fishing with pals, and having hallucinogenic desert camping trips? Sounds awesome! And we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling Corinthians! :shakesfist: Edited December 11, 2009 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Obama was president enough when they wanted our taxpayer dollars for a bailout. Freakin' hypocrite D-bags. To be fair I think this is dealerships - not Chrysler corp itself. The dealerships are getting contracts broken by executive fiat, basically, and I don't blame them for the suit. The same as I didn't blame the bondholders of GM when fedgov decided the union should own all of that company instead of the people that actually owned the debt. The birther thing is crazy though, because truly, if there was something to this, the repubs would have come out with this by now. Unless you truly believe in the Bilderberg group and the Tri-lateral commission of Illuminatus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 (edited) To be fair I think this is dealerships - not Chrysler corp itself. Oh, I know. But those same dealerships had self interested reasons in wanting Chrysler to survive. No one wants to buy a car when the manufacture is going belly up. I didn't hear the dealerships objecting back then. Are the dealerships getting screwed? Yeah. But they were arguably going to get screwed even worse if Chrysler didn't take the money. Making the ridiculous argument that the president isn't really the president just makes me less sympathetic to their cause. Edited December 11, 2009 by yo mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mucca Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Did Jesus have a Birth Certificate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Did Jesus have a Birth Certificate? No. But three high ranking officials did appear in person to visually confirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 The birther thing is crazy though, because truly, if there was something to this, the repubs would have come out with this by now. Unless you truly believe in the Bilderberg group and the Tri-lateral commission of Illuminatus. That is what is so frickin annoying about this crap. They distract from very legitimate and real issues like the gubmnets right to determine which creditors get paid back first. That fades into the background and it is dismissed as "crazy birther talk" instead of addressing the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 That is what is so frickin annoying about this crap. They distract from very legitimate and real issues like the gubmnets right to determine which creditors get paid back first. That fades into the background and it is dismissed as "crazy birther talk" instead of addressing the issue. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Did Jesus have a Birth Certificate? No, but He had two daddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 +1 Perch, by your use of your avatar you get linked to the same crazy birthers. So you (by your own choice) decide to firmly place your tent with people that fade into the background and are quickly dismissed. if ya want your statements to be taken seriously . . . start acting like an adult . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Perch, by your use of your avatar you get linked to the same crazy birthers. So you (by your own choice) decide to firmly place your tent with people that fade into the background and are quickly dismissed. if ya want your statements to be taken seriously . . . start acting like an adult . . . . It really bothers you doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 It really bothers you doesn't it? Actually not all Perch . . You actually have some good points. Unfortunately, you get thrown in the same looney bin with Lady hawke due to your actions. That de-emphasizes your message as being part of the "birther crazies" and incapable of carrying on a legitimate discussion of national policy. Your choice, I could care less . . . you birther whacko . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady.hawke Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) This has all been disproved dozens of times over. Perhaps you should fact check somewhere other than radical blogs. On the bright side, you have plenty of baloney for a sammich. No, it has not been disproved, ever. As I have said on many other threads - I do not think it matters because as his father was British/Kenyan he would not be a natural born citizen anyway. But since you have challenged me: I have extensively researched the laws of Hawaii. I have communicated with the Department of Health Official, who actually confirmed that they have background documents to verify the document Obama' campaign post online. The problem is that the likely background document is simply an application for a birth document. That is why the document Obama posted says. "Date filed by Registrar" at the bottom of the left side. Many other documents of the same kind that can be found posted online say, "Date accepted by State Registar." The likely answer is that someone related to Obama applied for an actual birth document but never followed up. Since you are so sure there is indisputable evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, how about you post your source? If Obama had a real birth certificate - the one with a doctor's signature and a footprint - like we all have for our children - why is he spending millions on lawsuits simply asking for that detailed document? It seems it would be easier to just produce it, if he had it. That should bother you and everyone who is a citizen. In fact, it only bothered me when I read more and more about how he was not producing it. This guy details all the lawsuits: These are over, for the time being: old lawsuits These are current: Current Eligiblilty Lawsuits Once again, I do not think it matters per The Constitution, but it will be part of the Chrysler lawsuit. If you have got prima facie evidence of Obama's birth perhaps you should alert the attorneys working on this case. Edited December 13, 2009 by Lady.hawke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 This guy details all the lawsuits: These are over, for the time being: old lawsuits These are current: Current Eligiblilty Lawsuits Awesome! Best website EVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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