Marty MUST go!

[McBoog]

Marty has to go:

 

I have let the game set in before this take, and the more I think about it, the more I realize that he needs to go.

 

1) The Chargers are clearly a more talented team, but not prepared. They were coached up well and basically dominated that game physically. They were NOT emotionally ready for that game. They made more mistakes today than they did the entire season. Stupid personal fouls, not falling on loose balls, trying to do too much in traffic after a pick, etc. They knew what to do and pushed the pats around pretty well most of the game. Squandered field position and dropped balls (not emotionally well prepared. They let the pats stay in that game when it should have been at least a 14-point lead going into the 4th.

 

2) Why did Marty go for the first down in the 1st quarter? Great drive to open the game and you leave three points on the field in the playoffs? Sure it is not a given, but Keading does not miss at that range often. You have to feel bad for Kaeding, 54-yards is tough and I do not blame him for the loss. I would feel much better knowing he tried for the three and missed than taking such a big risk, early in a playoff game.

 

3) Why, with LT and the O-line pushing the pats off the ball in the 4th quarter, do you pass with four minutes left if you don’t have to? At that point, run the ball and pass if you have to. Most of you probably felt that the Chargers could have run the ball down the field, run out the clock and kick the winning field goal. NOPE! LT goes for six, they throw a SHORT imcomplete, get stuffed on third and punt. The rest is history, game over. The Bolt D was on the field too much (THANX to a muffed punt and fumbled interception AFTER great D stands…going back EMOTIONAL preparation) and were gassed on those last few possessions.

 

4) Going into the “prevent” to end the first half was just stooopid. There are seven points that should have been prevented.

 

5) Is it obvious the Marty loses his mind and can’t manage the team or prepare them properly for the two minute drill? They escaped in Seattle with poor clock management. Not today!

 

This is frustrating and I now know how badly the Chiefs fans had to feel dealing with Marty through his years in KC. Marty obviously is a great teacher, but just has no idea what to do when it is all or nothing.

 

The game plan was solid. The Chargers have better talent top to bottom, are bigger and faster. This game was lost exactly where I thought it could be, COACHING! The Pats were allowed to stay in the game and Belichick and Brady walked them through the door. I felt the game was lost when Parker muffed the punt and didn’t cover it up. You could feel the Bolts start to panic at that point, something the Pats NEVER do.

 

Well, my season’s over and it will be hard to enjoy the rest of the games. This was a very bitter pill to swallow.

 

Go Saints!

 

 

[McBoog]

Drayton Florence was a perfect example. He was out of control the whole game. Marty should have reeled that young man in during the first quarter. Sit him for a series until he calms down and gets some composure back.

 

The team that played today was NOT the team I have been watching all year!

[McBoog]

Oh yeah! Moranic challange on the fumble after the INT. Think they could have used THAT TO?

 

[Rockerbraves]

Tough lost, but at least you enjoyed the season. Next week there will be two more coaches getting blamed for losses. Pretty sure KC might start realizing maybe things weren't all that bad.

[gilthorp]

I heard he has halatosis. Stinky.

[Wolverines Fan]

From Profootballtalk.com

 

POSTED 9:22 p.m. EST, January 14, 2007

 

MARTY GONE?

 

Now that the Chargers have parlayed a 14-2 season and the No. 1 seed in the AFC field into a one-and-out against the Pats, it remains to be seen whether the recent report from John Czarnecki of FOXSports.com that coach Marty Schottenheimer will be fired comes to fruition.

 

But Czarnecki's report was only that Marty was out if the team lost. Given the manner in which the game unraveled, we think the outcome becomes even more likely.

 

Seven times that the Chargers were on the 50 or in Patriots territory, San Diego scored no points.

 

After Marlon McCree's boneheaded decision to intercept a pass on fourth down late in the game rather than knock it down, he fumbled the ball, giving the Pats the mulligan they needed to tie the game up. Yeah, McCree screwed up. But the coaching staff is responsible for making sure that the guys on the field know what to do under specific game circumstances.

 

Then, Schottenheimer made it worse by wasting a time out, which might have come in handy down the stretch, on a replay challenge of the play that had no chance of succeeding.

 

Other things happened that weren't the result of coaching decisions. But they were the result of mistakes that NFL players shouldn't make. Individually, it's hard to blame coaching; collectively, coaching is the common thread.

 

So we think it's time. Marty must go. And, as Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported on Sunday morning, it could be father and son vying for the same job in Miami.

[pseudolefty]

I don't believe that Marty lost that game. You can't blame physical errors like dropped passes, muffed punts, and fumbles after INTs on Marty. McCree made a great pick but Troy Brown made a great play to strip the ball from McCree. It wasn't like McCree was holding the ball like a loaf of bread. I saw McCree on the post-game interviews and he said he never saw Brown. Robert Griffith (safety for the Cardinals, and local guy) was on the news and he said McCree made a great play on the ball and he would've done the same. It was a bang-bang play from the time he made the INT to the time he was stripped. I was hoping that maybe he never had possession and the play would be ruled an incomplete pass, but that was too much to hope for.

 

LT played a tremendous game and deserved better. I thought Rivers did ok too. Most of my final comments are on the Pats-Chargers thread.

 

Yes, there's a lot of speculation that Schottenheimer will be fired, but who's out there that would do any better? He didn't play "MartyBall" and he didn't go in to a shell.

 

Plus, the prevent defense at the end of the 1st half wasn't Marty's doing. Wade Phillips has full control of the defense those schemes were his doing. You'll notice that he learned from that though, and when the Patriots were driving for the eventual tieing TD and 2-pt conversion, Wade was blitzing on every play and playing aggressive. Brady made some plays and that's what great players do.

[Caveman_Nick]

Serious question for the Chargers fans, because I really can't remember...

 

But weren't the chargers a bad team before Marty showed up? Hasn't he turned the team around, and he achieved the #1 seed in the very tough AFC out of an also very tough AFC west?

 

Who are you going to replace him with, and will you then become in 3 years what the Redskins have become since he left?

[rebdog]

I can get on Marty for wasting the timeout with the challenge and for clock management on the two minute offense. But honestly, that's it.

From my viewpoint the biggest goat was Eric Parker. Parker dropped two easy catches early on and then tried to pick up the muffed punt later instead of falling on it. Florence gets an honorable mentioned for the personal foul after the 3rd down stop in our own end.

 

I can't explain an outcome like this. I know the Pats' history but they did not impose their will in this case. They made plays when we laid it out for them. Brady was picked three times clean...and it should have been four. They couldn't run on us and we ran right over them. We got pressure on Brady and I thought we protected Rivers well.

 

If my view is biased i don't mean for it to be. Its what i believe i saw. I was well aware the entire game that you cannot let Brady stay close. Last thing I wanted was for NE to have the ball late within a touchdown.

 

....its gonna be a long offseason.

[McBoog]

I don't believe that Marty lost that game. You can't blame physical errors like dropped passes, muffed punts, and fumbles after INTs on Marty. McCree made a great pick but Troy Brown made a great play to strip the ball from McCree. It wasn't like McCree was holding the ball like a loaf of bread. I saw McCree on the post-game interviews and he said he never saw Brown. Robert Griffith (safety for the Cardinals, and local guy) was on the news and he said McCree made a great play on the ball and he would've done the same. It was a bang-bang play from the time he made the INT to the time he was stripped. I was hoping that maybe he never had possession and the play would be ruled an incomplete pass, but that was too much to hope for...

 

Errors by one or two can be blamed on the individual. Errors by SO MANY in one game, repeatedly and accross the board falls squarely on the head coach.

 

McCree should have batted the ball down, not pick it. IT WAS FOURTH DOWN!

 

After the pick, go down in traffic. It was not like there was green and nobody around.

 

Practically the whole team, minus LT and Rivers had a mental meltdown today!

[Roustabout]

I feel sorry for Marty. Part of me hoped this would be his year. (Well, once the Broncos were out of it.)

 

Maybe he's to blame for the loss but I think the replay challenged was a good call. It was obviously not going to overturn the play and that timeout was important -- but I think he needed to give the defense a chance to get a grip. So they got a little time to settle down. Didn't help in the end of course.

 

Go Saints!

[McBoog]

Serious question for the Chargers fans, because I really can't remember...

 

But weren't the chargers a bad team before Marty showed up? Hasn't he turned the team around, and he achieved the #1 seed in the very tough AFC out of an also very tough AFC west?

 

Who are you going to replace him with, and will you then become in 3 years what the Redskins have become since he left?

 

 

Marty is a great teacher. He can build the car, but does not know how to drive it all the way.

 

I fear that if the Bolts are not careful, they lose one of the bright young minds in the NFL in Cam Cameron. I think you fire Marty, promote Cameron to HC and Promote Phillips to ACH (throw the man a bone).

 

I would hate to see a history repeat itself like it did when Gibbs left the Chargers. The rest too, is history!

 

Edit to add: Marty will not be around much longer anyway. Pull the plug now and keep what is working in place!

Edited January 15, 2007 by McBoog

[bushwacked]

 

 

1) The Chargers are clearly a more talented team, but not prepared. They were coached up well and basically dominated that game physically. They were NOT emotionally ready for that game. They made more mistakes today than they did the entire season. Stupid personal fouls, not falling on loose balls, trying to do too much in traffic after a pick, etc. They knew what to do and pushed the pats around pretty well most of the game. Squandered field position and dropped balls (not emotionally well prepared. They let the pats stay in that game when it should have been at least a 14-point lead going into the 4th.

 

 

 

McBooger, you are a crazy son of a gun that babbles nonsense with the best of them. I'm not a big Schotty fan.....but get real.....You want to fire Schotty because they weren't emotionanally prepared? The Chargers players gave this game away...nothing more...nothing else.

Edited January 15, 2007 by bushwacked

[Caveman_Nick]

Marty is a great teacher. He can build the car, but does not know how to drive it all the way.

 

I fear that if the Bolts are not careful, they lose one of the bright young minds in the NFL in Cam Cameron. I think you fire Marty, promote Cameron to HC and Promote Phillips to ACH (throw the man a bone).

 

I would hate to see a history repeat itself like it did when Gibbs left the Chargers. The rest too, is history!

 

 

 

I might agree with you after next year if the same thing happens. I dunno...I think firing him now is short sighted.

[McBoog]

McBooger, you are a crazy son of a gun that babbles nonsense with the best of them. I'm not a big Schotty fan.....but get real.....You want to fire Schotty because they weren't emotionanally prepared? The Chargers players gave this game away...nothing more...nothing else.

 

 

Player"S" is the key. You make my point. It was not a single play or player. It was systemic today, untypical completely. Why such a change from one game to the next?

 

You haven't spent much time under a helmet, have you? It is a very emotional game. If you don't handle that part well, you tend to melt down, you don't win.

Edited January 15, 2007 by McBoog

[Clubfoothead]

After Marlon McCree's boneheaded decision to intercept a pass on fourth down late in the game rather than knock it down

 

That's just stupid.

[bushwacked]

You haven't spent much time under a helmet, have you? It is a very emotional game.

 

 

Booger, I've played plenty of football and I've seen enough of your crazy posts where you shouldn't question anyone's emotional state.

[broncosn05]

Hasn't won a playoff game since '93. This decision won't be made just because he lost today.

[Chargerz]

Well, my season’s over and it will be hard to enjoy the rest of the games. This was a very bitter pill to swallow.

 

Go Saints!

 

A bitter pill indeed. I'm still not over this one. It will take a while to recover from the disappointment.

[Retrograde assault]

Marty ball strikes again.

[Shorttynaz]

A bitter pill indeed. I'm still not over this one. It will take a while to recover from the disappointment.

 

Exact same way us Colts fans felt last year when we lost to the Stee's. Last year was supposed to be our year. And with the season that SC had, I think that they were by far the favs. Oh well.. And as much as I have been giving some of these Chargers fans in here a hard time, I feel for you guys!! I've definitely been there before. The wierd thing is that for whatever reason, it feels worse to lose that it does feel better to win. I know.. I've felt it for the past 5 years with the Colts. And with living in the Phoenix area (although a different sport) we have the Suns who are the NBA's version of the Colts. Great regular season team, but when the playoff's come around, they're considered a serious contender, but always find a way to come up short.

 

Anyway, keep your head up Chargers fans!! You've had a remarkable season, and have much to build on. Your team is probably one of the most balanced in the league. With a different coach in there next year (hopefully) you should have what it takes to be the cream of the crop, and end up with the hardware at the end of the season to back it up! Great season, and best of luck to you next year!!!

[Donutrun Jellies]

Oh yeah! Moranic challange on the fumble after the INT. Think they could have used THAT TO?

 

 

I'll give you this point. THAT was bad coaching.

[Grits and Shins]

Correct me if I am wrong ... but wasn't Marty entirely removed from play calling? As I recall he was even on the sidelines without a head set.

[SLAYER]

Blame falls firmly on Florence's shoulder for making that head butt after 3rd down. He doesn't do that and there is no first and no NE td, Chargers win.

[charty]

McCree should have batted the ball down, not pick it. IT WAS FOURTH DOWN!

 

 

Not only are interception/fumble returns a high risk of coughing the ball up (which happened in this case), but by making the catch instead of batting it down, they gave the Pats 15 yds of field posistion (whether McCree turned it over or not).