Egret Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Pretty simple IMO. Anybody here choose to be heterosexual? Ever remember sitting down one day and saying, I guess I'll be heterosexual? If that's the case, then how can one logically say someone chose to be homosexual. It just is. There are other things that influence life besides genetics. Just because you don't consciously make a decision, doesn't mean that it's genetically based. Most people don't choose to be depressed, but a combination of genetics, environment, and experience create the disorder. I realize that homosexuality is not a disorder, and not comparable to DSM disorders. It's the closest I can come to describing how things don't boil down to a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Have you ever noticed or heard how married couples start to look abit alike as they grow older? I'm thinking that this is mostly because old people all basically look the same (you know, all wrinkly and saggy and stuff). (No offense to Sky, RR, and Aqualung.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellab Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 A very close friend of mine dropped the bomb on me about three years ago. I was absolutely shocked. He dated women until he was about 30 and then gave up. He was dating a very attractive woman, who was successful, and thought the world of him and broke up with her. When he told me he was gay, he said she was the ending point. He wanted so badly to enjoy sex with her and he couldn't. He basically said that he didn't get into anymore relationships after that because he didn't want to hurt anyone else. He had had a homosexual experience in college and basically lived as a straight man until he dated this woman. He started to chat online with other gay men and found out that he was exactly like everyone else that was gay and trying to deny it. He played sports, loves to drink, watch football, etc. He is not into the feminine aspect of being gay, and is turned off by feminine men and actually says they make gay men look bad. In his case I would say it is nature. He tried very hard to be straight and it just was not enjoyable. I cannot blame anyone when they explain it like that. I agree with many on this board, when they say why would anyone want to choose to be discriminated against. He is a very smart man and he remains in the closet because of his job. He is a vice president of marketing and investment management for a very knew company with a very conservative board made up of people over 60 who really wouldn't understand. BTW: Myself and others never knew. He kept it hidden from me for four years, and others in our group all his life. People that he grew up with are in our group of friends and had no idea and some still don't know. My exprience and opinion. For what it is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I'm no Bible expert but I believe it's Leviticus for one that lays out numerous behaviors that are "sinful" and not acceptable, many of which are acceptable in today's society. Which behavior is now acceptable in today's society. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day. Honor thy Father and thy Mother Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Which behavior is now acceptable in today's society. You had better borrow your brother's Bible and get to reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameltosis Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I think you are born with it. However, the lisp is a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 A quick search netted this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewer Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Sheep.......Nature or Choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 A quick search netted this... In the article: Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Sheep.......Nature or Choice? Depends on which kind of sheep... this kind or that kind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REZ Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I think some people are wired to be that way. I've worked with a lot of gay people and of the ones I've talked with about it, all of them tried to go the heterosexual route before acknowledging they were homosexual. So I guess they made a decision but I don't think they really had a choice unless they wanted to be miserable in their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Have you ever noticed or heard how married couples start to look abit alike as they grow older? The theory is that most people marry or become attracted to people who look like their own relatives aka mom, dad uncle aunt etc. These are the people they grew up with. So if your mother is fat you probably don't think it's as unattractive as say someone with a slender mom. Blondes may be more attractive to blondes and brunettes to brunettes, big bone ladies vs petite etc. Are you really a moran or do you just play one on the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Goes Frazia Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 IF, IF it's nature, and I'm not saying it is or isn't, that would mean we are the only species on the face of the earth with a predisposition toward same-sex relations. my dog will hump any other male dog that stands still for 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Which behavior is now acceptable in today's society. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day. Honor thy Father and thy Mother Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods. do you have any idea how syphilis spreed threw out Europe . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skrappy1 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 do you have any idea how syphilis spreed threw out Europe . Puddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 One thing that is sort of interesting is that most heterosexual men in America would say that they aren't sexually attracted to really fat women, but in some cultures, heterosexual men are attracted to heavy women. I doubt that these attractions are genetic, but are almost certainly learned. (Even though if you asked a man in either society when they became attracted to non-fat/fat women, they would just say "I've always been that way.") Just throwing that out there. not exactly the same thing. i'd MUCH sooner do a fat chick than a dude, you dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 to answer the question, i am totally convinced that homosexuality is primarily "nature", partially "nurture". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 The most difficult thing in this discussion is that sexuality is a genetic component of our existance, but it is also a behavioral component of our existance. There is overwhelming evidence, even in just obvious casual observation of different species, that there are behaviors that are genetically programmed. There is also overwhelming evidence that behaviors can be learned or trained, or even in some cases developed by trauma. I would imagine that anyone that is homosexual could have arrived at that state of being through a natural genetic disposition, but I would also imagine that it is possible for someone to arrive at that state of being through some kind of behavioral development. I guess what I am saying is that I don't think the answer is as clear cut as 'nature or nurture'. I imagine that both have a part to play, and that includes in the immediate lives of people today and the lives of the billions of people that have lived before us. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 The most difficult thing in this discussion is that sexuality is a genetic component of our existance, but it is also a behavioral component of our existance. There is overwhelming evidence, even in just obvious casual observation of different species, that there are behaviors that are genetically programmed. There is also overwhelming evidence that behaviors can be learned or trained, or even in some cases developed by trauma. I would imagine that anyone that is homosexual could have arrived at that state of being through a natural genetic disposition, but I would also imagine that it is possible for someone to arrive at that state of being through some kind of behavioral development. I guess what I am saying is that I don't think the answer is as clear cut as 'nature or nurture'. I imagine that both have a part to play, and that includes in the immediate lives of people today and the lives of the billions of people that have lived before us. well, i mostly agree with that, but homosexuality isn't just "behavior". it is also a matter of inclination -- who you are physically attracted to. i agree that the behavioral part is a complex mixture of a lot of different factors. but i think the evidence indicates the inclination part is pretty much hard-wired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Many homosexuals were abused as children, this has to have some merit. Many of the gays I know were in fact abused, either sexually or mentally. However, I do truely wish it was genetic, so we could study it, find a cure, and rid ourselves of this disgusting flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 However, I do truely wish it was genetic, so we could study it, find a cure, and rid ourselves of this disgusting flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote Quimby2 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Sheep.......Nature or Choice? and if you do a male sheep does that make you gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Are you really a moran or do you just play one on the internet? I'm Catholic why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Here's my highly unpopular opinion... I don't think it's genetic. I also don't think it's a choice. Technically, I would classify it as a sexual fetish. Like people who like big asses, or get turned on by peeing or latex or hairy chicks. Something happened in their sexual development to make them get turned on by people of the same sex. I think that gay people might be offended by the notion that I reduce it to a fetish instead of making it part of a big political movement or an unavoidable genetic condition, but I believes what I believes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Many homosexuals were abused as children, this has to have some merit. i think your implication is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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