SEC=UGA Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Here we go.... CAIRO — Muslim clerics said Monday that Osama bin Laden's burial at sea was a violation of Islamic tradition that may further provoke militant calls for revenge attacks against American targets. Although there appears to be some room for debate over the burial — as with many issues within the faith — a wide range of senior Islamic scholars interpreted it as a humiliating disregard for the standard Muslim practice of placing the body in a grave with the head pointed toward the holy city of Mecca. Sea burials can be allowed, they said, but only in special cases where the death occurred aboard a ship. Bin Laden's burial at sea "runs contrary to the principles of Islamic laws, religious values and humanitarian customs," said Sheik Ahmed al-Tayeb, the grand Imam of Cairo's al-Azhar mosque, Sunni Islam's highest seat of learning. A radical cleric in Lebanon, Omar Bakri Mohammed, said, "The Americans want to humiliate Muslims through this burial, and I don't think this is in the interest of the U.S. administration." A U.S. official said the burial decision was made after concluding that it would have been difficult to find a country willing to accept the remains. There was also speculation about worry that a grave site could have become a rallying point for militants. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security matters. President Barack Obama said the remains had been handled in accordance with Islamic custom, which requires speedy burial, and the Pentagon later said the body was placed into the waters of the northern Arabian Sea after adhering to traditional Islamic procedures — including washing the corpse — aboard the aircraft carrier USS I'M A TOOL Vinson. But the Lebanese cleric Mohammed called it a "strategic mistake" that was bound to stoke rage. In Washington, CIA director Leon Panetta warned that "terrorists almost certainly will attempt to avenge" the killing of the mastermind behind the Sept. 11 attacks. "Bin Laden is dead," Panetta wrote in a memo to CIA staff. "Al-Qaida is not." According to Islamic teachings, the highest honor to be bestowed on the dead is giving the deceased a swift burial, preferably before sunset. Those who die while traveling at sea can have their bodies committed to the bottom of the ocean if they are far off the coast, according to Islamic tradition. "They can say they buried him at sea, but they cannot say they did it according to Islam," Mohammed al-Qubaisi, Dubai's grand mufti, said about bin Laden's burial. "If the family does not want him, it's really simple in Islam: You dig up a grave anywhere, even on a remote island, you say the prayers and that's it." "Sea burials are permissible for Muslims in extraordinary circumstances," he added. "This is not one of them." But Mohammed Qudah, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Jordan, said burying the Saudi-born bin Laden at sea was not forbidden if there was nobody to receive the body and provide a Muslim burial. "The land and the sea belong to God, who is able to protect and raise the dead at the end of times for Judgment Day," he said. "It's neither true nor correct to claim that there was nobody in the Muslim world ready to receive bin Laden's body." Clerics in Iraq, where an offshoot of al-Qaida is blamed for the death of thousands of people since 2003, also criticized the U.S. action. One said it only benefited fish. "If a man dies on a ship that is a long distance from land, then the dead man should be buried at the sea," said SHAM WOW!e cleric Ibrahim al-Jabari. "But if he dies on land, then he should be buried in the ground, not to be thrown into the sea. Otherwise, this would be only inviting fish to a banquet." The Islamic tradition of a quick burial was the subject of intense debate in Iraq in 2003 when U.S. forces embalmed the bodies of Saddam Hussein's two sons after they were killed in a firefight. Their bodies were later shown to media. "What was done by the Americans is forbidden by Islam and might provoke some Muslims," said another Islamic scholar from Iraq, Abdul-Sattar al-Janabi, who preaches at Baghdad's famous Abu Hanifa mosque. "It is not acceptable and it is almost a crime to throw the body of a Muslim man into the sea. The body of bin Laden should have been handed over to his family to look for a country or land to bury him." Prominent Egyptian Islamic analyst and lawyer Montasser el-Zayat said bin Laden's sea burial was designed to prevent his grave from becoming a shrine. But an option was an unmarked grave. "They don't want to see him become a symbol, but he is already a symbol in people's hearts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBalla Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Well, you were pretty apt at labeling people naive if they didn't agree with yer statement (that many have predictably found to be rather asinine) , so toughen up buttercup. Hi bush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Wasn't Babu from Pakistan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Muslilms everywhere should just be happy they didn't hang the body by the nuts from a tree and let people hit it with a bat for $5 a pop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Muslilms everywhere should just be happy they didn't hang the body by the nuts from a tree and let people hit it with a bat for $5 a pop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 aboard the aircraft carrier USS I'M A TOOL Vinson. the dead man should be buried at the sea," said SHAM WOW!e cleric Ibrahim al-Jabari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Here we go.... Was there any doubt that the nut jobs out there would find some additional reason to get upset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 — including washing the corpse — aboard the aircraft carrier USS I'M A TOOL Vinson. An unfortunate result of the filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 So, some Muslims are not happy about the way a mass murderer was burried. Well then, go f*ck yourself I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Chum Laden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Chum Laden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicious_bass Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 So, some Muslims are not happy about the way a mass murderer was burried. Well then, go f*ck yourself I say. +1 The gall of anyone to suggest that POS was given an improper burial according to Islam (a religion he perverted in the name of his own thirst for blood and terror) is really quite unreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 So, some Muslims are not happy about the way a mass murderer was burried. Well then, go f*ck yourself I say. This is pretty much how I feel. When he started murdering innocent people and created one of the most vile organizations in recent history, you lost any right to a burial on your own terms. I wouldn't have shown any respect to his corpse and would have unleashed some branch swingin' honey badgers on him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I think that they should have had an Imam present to to conduct a ceremony or at least supervise the thing. But since I don't think that they could ever divulge the name of the guy, I'm not sure that it would have mattered all that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Chum Laden Facebook status...do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Wasn't Babu from Pakistan? District in China and a movie set in India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Chum Laden Funniest post EVER!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 A beheading would have been nice to video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borge007 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 So, some Muslims are not happy about the way a mass murderer was burried. Well then, go f*ck yourself I say. this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Facebook status...do it. done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Cool, I just did some work on the Vinson a couple of months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 something to chew on Only a dumbfu(k would have to have thought that torture does not yield results. Whether torture is ethical in the 21st Century is another issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Maybe I'm just the most cynical bastard on the face of the earth, but that was the first thought that entered my head. Don't beat yourself up. I always thought that was one of your better qualities. Anyway, on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Only a dumbfu(k would have to have thought that torture does not yield results. Well, I'm not sure what your definition of "results" is, but I think that it has been pretty well documented by plenty of nondumbfu(ks that torture produces inherently unreliable information. Edited May 2, 2011 by Furd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 torture produces inherently unreliable information. I am sure it does sometimes produce unreliable info. and I am just as sure that sometimes "harsh interrogation techniques" produce golden info, which appears to be the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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