Riffraff Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 First round grades via animated gifs. PIctures are worth a thousand words... right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Irvin didn't even start at West Virginia. That us worrisome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 like Kiper will never come on and point out all the times they were completely wrong. But BB will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Love the #22 pick by CLE and #15 SEA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I saw Irvin graded out as a 3rd rounder in a few places. Doesn't hold up at all against the run - and that was at the collegiate level. A lot of people saw him as a situational guy, and you don't burn 1st rounders on those types. His ceiling is Dumervil, and Dumervil was drafted in the 4th round. Dumervil's a lot shorter, heavier, and didn't have anywhere near the combine pedigree Irvin had coming out of college. Looking at his Draft Scout numbers, Elvis was rated as a 5th Round prospect and #19 at his position. Irvin is bigger, much faster, and listed as a Late 1st to 3rd Rounder, #5 at his position. I get that you're writing off Irvin as a one-trick hybrid DE with limited skills, and that could very well be how it plays out for him, but he could also be a tad bit more transformative than what Dumervil brings to the table given his speed and size combo within this defense. Call me a loony toon, but I don't believe NFL regimes target project guys for particular roles at this spot in the draft without some real specific idea of how they want him to fit. I also give them a lot more of the benefit of the doubt when they make calculated moves like this that upset the conventional wisdom. I give them even more credit when they are at the starting end of a positional run during a draft, rather than at the back end of the positional run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 But BB will. I'm wrong regularly, just like everyone else here. It happens. If I weren't, I sure as hell would be doing a lot more with the infallible knowledge than posting here. I have no issue admitting when I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 No, the best pick will be DeCastro. How he slipped that far is inexplicable, IMO. I hope you're right. I'm definitely happy with the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Dumervil's a lot shorter, heavier, and didn't have anywhere near the combine pedigree Irvin had coming out of college. Looking at his Draft Scout numbers, Elvis was rated as a 5th Round prospect and #19 at his position. Irvin is bigger, much faster, and listed as a Late 1st to 3rd Rounder, #5 at his position. I get that you're writing off Irvin as a one-trick hybrid DE with limited skills, and that could very well be how it plays out for him, but he could also be a tad bit more transformative than what Dumervil brings to the table given his speed and size combo within this defense. Call me a loony toon, but I don't believe NFL regimes target project guys for particular roles at this spot in the draft without some real specific idea of how they want him to fit. I also give them a lot more of the benefit of the doubt when they make calculated moves like this that upset the conventional wisdom. I give them even more credit when they are at the starting end of a positional run during a draft, rather than at the back end of the positional run. You could be right. But I'm curious - if he couldn't hold up against the run against college linemen, how do you suddenly seeing him doing so in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 First round grades via animated gifs. PIctures are worth a thousand words... right? Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Read the edit above. And saying the trade was okay because they might have drafted 2nd round talent with the 25th pick doesn't excuse Elway and Xanders getting bent over like they did. Their plan was perhaps sound, perhaps not (I liked their options at their original slot), but their execution was terrible. Hey Elway, just because somebody asks to adjust the deal on the table does not mean they won't snap it up as is. In fact, often it means the deal on the table is so outstanding that they take you for a fool for having offered it, and believing you a fool see no reason to not test the limits of your foolishness. I'm hoping the Packers offer the Broncos their second and two of their seventh rounders to move up to the Broncos first slot tonight. After all, that would be three picks for the price of one. After Elway commits to accept it the Packers should then ask if maybe the could pull one choice back, a seventh or the second, Elways choice. They can still make this work out all right with a little luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Did anybody else notice the watch and bracelet Poe wore to the podium. He has to already be in serious debt to his agent. Not a good way to start out. The claws are in the guy. He has already taken the first step down the path trod by that fat ass, Warren Sapp. Edited April 27, 2012 by Ditkaless Wonders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Dumervil's a lot shorter, heavier, and didn't have anywhere near the combine pedigree Irvin had coming out of college. Looking at his Draft Scout numbers, Elvis was rated as a 5th Round prospect and #19 at his position. Irvin is bigger, much faster, and listed as a Late 1st to 3rd Rounder, #5 at his position. I get that you're writing off Irvin as a one-trick hybrid DE with limited skills, and that could very well be how it plays out for him, but he could also be a tad bit more transformative than what Dumervil brings to the table given his speed and size combo within this defense. Call me a loony toon, but I don't believe NFL regimes target project guys for particular roles at this spot in the draft without some real specific idea of how they want him to fit. I also give them a lot more of the benefit of the doubt when they make calculated moves like this that upset the conventional wisdom. I give them even more credit when they are at the starting end of a positional run during a draft, rather than at the back end of the positional run. I remember when HIghlander II: The Quickening came out in the theaters. I loved the original Highlander movie so much and was really looking forward to the sequel. After seeing the sequel, I tried desperately to like it. After about 24 hours, I had to admit what everyone else already knew. It blew donkeys. But, hey... good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I remember when HIghlander II: The Quickening came out in the theaters. I loved the original Highlander movie so much and was really looking forward to the sequel. After seeing the sequel, I tried desperately to like it. After about 24 hours, I had to admit what everyone else already knew. It blew donkeys. But, hey... good luck to you. One man's Highlander II is another man's Braveheart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 You could be right. But I'm curious - if he couldn't hold up against the run against college linemen, how do you suddenly seeing him doing so in the NFL? Maybe he doesn't. I noticed watching some clips that WV runs mostly a 3-man front, with a lot of 3-LB sets, featuring an undersized Irvin on the edge. That has nothing to do with whether or not the team projects him as a LEO pass-rush specialist though, which is the immediate need they have for his skill set. Ideally, you don't want to resort to specialists in the first round, so I'd like to believe they have long-term notions of him as something more than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) if he couldn't hold up against the run against college linemen, how do you suddenly seeing him doing so in the NFL? This blind homer is wishing it works out like Brandon Browner, who played in the CFL from 2006 to 2010 , before becoming an NFL pro bowler in 2011. Edited April 27, 2012 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Was it me or did Ingram seem unhappy to be picked by the Chargers? In later interviews he said he's excited to play for the Bolts. If I were a rookie being drafted, that's the one team I would hate to play for (solely because of their cancerous GM). I'm sure his multimillion dollar contract will soothe his psyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Fleener going to Colts, that's big for them. And as if Fleener wasn't already this class' best dynasty TE, that just cements it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Oh and Rams took Quick over Jeffrey and Hill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Courtney Upshaw lasting this long and going to the Ravens is SICK. Fits right in with Ray Ray and young guys like Sergio Kindle. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Courtney Upshaw lasting this long and going to the Ravens is SICK. Fits right in with Ray Ray and young guys like Sergio Kindle. Wow. yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 yep Wow I didn't realize he was THAT beefy. Guess he's more of a DE than LB. Will be good to learn opposite Terrell Suggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 BB on Wolfe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 CLE needed a WR, but let the schwartz be with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 JAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Damn. I wanted Wolfe for the packers to play end. Perfect DE for a 3-4 team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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