Homosexuality: Nature or Choice?

[Chief Dick]

Pretty simple IMO.

 

Anybody here choose to be heterosexual? Ever remember sitting down one day and saying, I guess I'll be heterosexual?

 

If that's the case, then how can one logically say someone chose to be homosexual. It just is.

[Furd]

Let's say you're a male heterosexual Huddler with absolutely no inclination to become a gay man. Let's say the thought reviles you.

 

Do you think that you could ever choose to like men, to become attracted to them, to lead a gay lifestyle? Unlimited time to try to change. Ulimited resources. No family or commitments.

 

Then ask yourself if its a choice.

[Furd]

Some are born that way while others choose that life style. I may be born to be a musician but doesn't mean I have to play music.

 

 

Sheer brilliance.

[whitem0nkey]

animal even have sex changes like us humans.

 

check out the Coral trout they are protogynous hermaphrodites. That is, they start their lives as females and become males later in life. we still don't known how this happens. and yes hardaway does not eat coral trout.

[Rockerbraves]

Let's say you're a male heterosexual Huddler with absolutely no inclination to become a gay man. Let's say the thought reviles you.

 

Do you think that you could ever choose to like men, to become attracted to them, to lead a gay lifestyle? Unlimited time to try to change. Ulimited resources. No family or commitments.

 

Then ask yourself if its a choice.

 

 

Have you ever heard of Bisexsuals? Ever hear of prisoners having sex with other men?

[Bier Meister]

animal even have sex changes like us humans.

 

check out the Coral trout they are protogynous hermaphrodites. That is, they start their lives as females and become males later in life. we still don't known how this happens. and yes hardaway does not eat coral trout.

 

 

 

may he has, and just doesn't know it

[MojoMan]

IF, IF it's nature, and I'm not saying it is or isn't, that would mean we are the only species on the face of the earth with a predisposition toward same-sex relations. That is where I wonder about the nature argument. Many other species form "family" units but you never see an example of another species that forms same-sex relationships. Why would our nature have been different? I personally don't care if someone wants to be ghey, go ahead live your life however you want, I don't care nor should anyone else, but to "blame" it on nature seems a stretch.

 

 

We're also the only species to have developed writing, and complex speech, and computers, and pron.

 

Your point?

[cdrudge]

Pretty simple IMO.

 

Anybody here choose to be heterosexual? Ever remember sitting down one day and saying, I guess I'll be heterosexual?

 

If that's the case, then how can one logically say someone chose to be homosexual. It just is.

 

This is probably my view as well.

 

I don't thing that there is a "gay gene", something that gets flipped at some point in time that makes a person homosexual or hetrosexual. I also don't think that it is entirely not a personal choice. Just like how I might be attracted to medium build brunettes and someone else might like a big boobed blond, I think who we are attracted to is somewhat our choice.

[The Irish Doggy]

Its nature in the south. Choice everywhere else.

[Rovers]

Without any doubt, at least some gay people are born that way. When I was a kid, we'de be playing with toy soldiers, but Roy had his GI Joe dolls. Before that, he played dolls with the girls in the neighborhood. He tried to play baseball with us... but played like a girl. He was born gay, no doubt about it. He also died of AIDS a few years ago.

 

Then I guess that some choose same sex stuff, like bi-sexuals. There are also true hermaphrodites, rare, but it happens.

[cre8tiff]

Have you ever heard of Bisexsuals? Ever hear of prisoners having sex with other men?

 

 

Most gheys we know insist that bisexuals are merely closeted gheys, unwilling to fully admit thier homosexuality in the guise of the more-accepted bi-sexual, and heaven forbid, metro-sexual (Someone who acts ghey, but professes to be straight).

[Rockerbraves]

Sheer brilliance.

 

 

Thank you if you are serious.

[Bier Meister]

Thank you if you are serious.

 

 

 

your sarcasm meter is not plugged in

[Rockerbraves]

Do you think people have a choice in whether or not they are homosexual? Or is one's sexual orientation pre-determined like your race or eye color? The reason behind my question is that I continue to hear people attempt to distinquish discrimination toward gays from that towards blacks because blacks "didnt choose to be black". That means they assume that gays choose their orientation. Do you believe they have a choice and is it a sin to choose to be homo? Discuss...

 

edit: I am not apart of that "gay agenda" group that Blitz used to accuse of cramming gay issues down his throat.

 

 

There is a difference you know between being gay and homosexual. We all have a choice when it comes to sex. My brother is a priest and thus he chose not to have sex.

 

USAGE NOTE The word gay is now standard in its use to refer to people whose orientation is to the same sex, in large part because it is the term that most gay people prefer in referring to themselves. Gay is distinguished from homosexual primarily by the emphasis it places on the cultural and social aspects of homosexuality as opposed to sexual practice.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Ok let me throw a curve in here .... Is it wrong ? Meaning do you feel it is inappropriate behavior ? Thid does not mean that you dislike gay"s or will bad mouth , discriminate , etc ....rather do you believe its wrong ?

 

Not even talking about how the church views it , however it is clearly written in the Bible how its viewed

 

 

There's a whole other can of worms. Right and wrong and the bible. Remember, the Bible was written by men and the writings reflect the moral values of the day, that is what was and wasn't accepted in society at the time. I'm no Bible expert but I believe it's Leviticus for one that lays out numerous behaviors that are "sinful" and not acceptable, many of which are acceptable in today's society.

[Yukon Cornelius]

IF, IF it's nature, and I'm not saying it is or isn't, that would mean we are the only species on the face of the earth with a predisposition toward same-sex relations.

 

wrong dude way wrong..... get out of the city for 5 minutes

[Caveman_Nick]

The most difficult thing in this discussion is that sexuality is a genetic component of our existance, but it is also a behavioral component of our existance.

 

There is overwhelming evidence, even in just obvious casual observation of different species, that there are behaviors that are genetically programmed. There is also overwhelming evidence that behaviors can be learned or trained, or even in some cases developed by trauma.

 

I would imagine that anyone that is homosexual could have arrived at that state of being through a natural genetic disposition, but I would also imagine that it is possible for someone to arrive at that state of being through some kind of behavioral development.

 

I guess what I am saying is that I don't think the answer is as clear cut as 'nature or nurture'. I imagine that both have a part to play, and that includes in the immediate lives of people today and the lives of the billions of people that have lived before us.

[DemonKnight]

Homosexuality is natures way of dealing with overpopulation.

[wiegie]

One thing that is sort of interesting is that most heterosexual men in America would say that they aren't sexually attracted to really fat women, but in some cultures, heterosexual men are attracted to heavy women. I doubt that these attractions are genetic, but are almost certainly learned. (Even though if you asked a man in either society when they became attracted to non-fat/fat women, they would just say "I've always been that way.")

 

Just throwing that out there.

[wiegie]

Homosexuality is natures way of dealing with overpopulation.

 

This is highly highly unlikely.

[Rockerbraves]

I would imagine that anyone that is homosexual could have arrived at that state of being through a natural genetic disposition, but I would also imagine that it is possible for someone to arrive at that state of being through some kind of behavioral development.

 

 

Good point. Off subject however how many of you have watched the Howard Stern show? Not that he's any kind of expert on sex, but he often made the remark that most women strippers or porn stars were sexually abused as a child.

[Bier Meister]

Good point. Off subject however how many of you have watched the Howard Stern show? Not that he's any kind of expert on sex, but he often made the remark that most women strippers or porn stars were sexually abused as a child.

 

 

 

yeah... start a new thread for that

[Perchoutofwater]

I have two female cousins, one is a lesbian and one is bi-sexual. I know that the lesbian has had men in the past. The lesbian and I are particularly close (we are the same age, and she lived across the street from me for 5 years), and I know that she enjoyed men in the past. Now she enjoys women, but not men. Were the born that way? I don't know. I know that for those that are bi-sexual it is more than likely a choice. I'm not talking about those that tried heterosexuality early in life and found it lacking, but those that are truly bi-sexual. For those that are straight up gay or lesbian, I really don't know. Part of me think that they are born that way, but that might be from the constant indoctrination that gay and lesbian organizations try to push. Another part of me thinks that they were born that way, because why would they chose a life style that is still ridiculed in so many places. I know that the cousin I was really close to

[muck]

In no certain order:

 

1) People are born with different levels of different types of hormones in their body. Call it hormonal distribution. If you're a dude and you have more estrogen than other dudes, you'll be more feminine. If you're a chick and you have more testosterone than other dudes, you'll be more masculine. I would not be surprised if this translated to sexual behavior.

 

2) Some people are abused, which causes them to have abnormal sexual behavior.

 

3) There are loads of things that impact someones preferences in life, most of which we simply don't understand (and probably never really will).

[Rockerbraves]

One thing that is sort of interesting is that most heterosexual men in America would say that they aren't sexually attracted to really fat women, but in some cultures, heterosexual men are attracted to heavy women. I doubt that these attractions are genetic, but are almost certainly learned. (Even though if you asked a man in either society when they became attracted to non-fat/fat women, they would just say "I've always been that way.")

 

Just throwing that out there.

 

 

Have you ever noticed or heard how married couples start to look abit alike as they grow older? The theory is that most people marry or become attracted to people who look like their own relatives aka mom, dad uncle aunt etc. These are the people they grew up with. So if your mother is fat you probably don't think it's as unattractive as say someone with a slender mom. Blondes may be more attractive to blondes and brunettes to brunettes, big bone ladies vs petite etc.