Ursa Majoris Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 It will certainly be more competitive than the current Metrodome (which is at the bottom of the list of stadiums I think) but it will still suck because the local politicians forced the location to continue to be in downtown Minneapolis, which doesn't have a big enough footprint to allow for a facility that could really allow for a great fan experieince and bring in a ton more money. So we will definitely be going through this again in another generation because we keep half-assing it. But where else would it go? Arden Hills was never a realistic proposition and I really can't think of anywhere else apart from the Farmers Market option over near the basilica. I don't see how that would be any better than the Metrodome location, which has freeways and transit close by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The Vikings want to stay competitive in the mold of the Indianapolis Colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 No link yet but just heard the Senate approved the bill as well, off to the Governor to sign off on... New stadium HERE WE COME!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 (edited) Still need Minneapolis to sign off on too...but at this point... Edited May 10, 2012 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Something I read elsewhere said the Gov probably won't sign until next week. When I asked why I was that fishing season opens this weekend, which apparently some sort of psuedo state holiday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 These types of subsidies run counter to my political philosophy. When the most cogent arguement for a massive government expenditure and subsidy is Go ________! (Insert name of your favorite team) that is an admission that government will justify any act under the concept of promoting the general welfare. This is not government of limited or enumerated powers. When supporters of these matters try to justify these expenses they point to economic stimulus, but in a vacuum. They do not compare this stimulus to the stimulus that would come from an equal expenditure on matters central to the role of government because the numbers would not add up. This project, on top of general political objections, does not appear to be well thought out. It is a project of political compromise, not when well thought out to account for the needs of business or the community. I believe, therefore, that this stadium will prove as unsatisfying and inadequate as did the Humperdome which many predicted at the time would not serve the needs of the team or the area for the time horizon projected. That said I saw some artists renderings today of the loosely presumed facility. Not bad. For the Viking fans here I congratulate you today. Faults aside it must be a relief to have this behind you for a time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Something I read elsewhere said the Gov probably won't sign until next week. When I asked why I was that fishing season opens this weekend, which apparently some sort of psuedo state holiday. Wish I was up there this weekend. Love me some fishing in Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Something I read elsewhere said the Gov probably won't sign until next week. When I asked why I was that fishing season opens this weekend, which apparently some sort of psuedo state holiday. Opening weekend is hugh in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 this stadium will prove as unsatisfying and inadequate as did the Humperdome which many predicted at the time would not serve the needs of the team or the area for the time horizon projected. It was never meant to. The Dome cost a ridiculously low $40 million, housed both baseball and football major league teams for 30 years as well as the college football team, acted as host facility for a Superbowl, two final fours, and a World Series, something that no other stadium can boast. The Twin Cities has limped by with sub standard stadia for many decades and it is finally time we caught up with the rest of the nation. This started with the XCel for the Minnesota Wild, usually seen as the best hockey stadium in N America, the new TCF Bank Stadium for the Gophers football team and, most impressively, the awesome Target Field of the Minnesota Twins. The new football stadium will not be "unsatisfying" nor "inadequate", it will be a state of the art jewel to be proud of. What's more, it will be used over 200 times a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 This project, on top of general political objections, does not appear to be well thought out. It is a project of political compromise, not when well thought out to account for the needs of business or the community. I believe, therefore, that this stadium will prove as unsatisfying and inadequate as did the Humperdome which many predicted at the time would not serve the needs of the team or the area for the time horizon projected. That said I saw some artists renderings today of the loosely presumed facility. Not bad. For the Viking fans here I congratulate you today. Faults aside it must be a relief to have this behind you for a time. I think that it helps that specialists from Target Corp helped with the designs of the stadium. It's better than trying to merge ideas of politicians from the state and Mpls. We can see how that works from the last several weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 It was never meant to. The Dome cost a ridiculously low $40 million, housed both baseball and football major league teams for 30 years as well as the college football team, acted as host facility for a Superbowl, two final fours, and a World Series, something that no other stadium can boast. The Twin Cities has limped by with sub standard stadia for many decades and it is finally time we caught up with the rest of the nation. This started with the XCel for the Minnesota Wild, usually seen as the best hockey stadium in N America, the new TCF Bank Stadium for the Gophers football team and, most impressively, the awesome Target Field of the Minnesota Twins. The new football stadium will not be "unsatisfying" nor "inadequate", it will be a state of the art jewel to be proud of. What's more, it will be used over 200 times a year. I am fascinated to hear that the Humperdome was never meant to serve the needs of the team or area for the time line projected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 I am fascinated to hear that the Humperdome was never meant to serve the needs of the team or area for the time line projected. Are you? Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 It was never meant to. The Dome cost a ridiculously low $40 million, housed both baseball and football major league teams for 30 years as well as the college football team, acted as host facility for a Superbowl, two final fours, and a World Series, something that no other stadium can boast. The Twin Cities has limped by with sub standard stadia for many decades and it is finally time we caught up with the rest of the nation. This started with the XCel for the Minnesota Wild, usually seen as the best hockey stadium in N America, the new TCF Bank Stadium for the Gophers football team and, most impressively, the awesome Target Field of the Minnesota Twins. The new football stadium will not be "unsatisfying" nor "inadequate", it will be a state of the art jewel to be proud of. What's more, it will be used over 200 times a year. 200 times a year?? 10 football games and without baseball and college football what else is going to use it for 190 other days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 200 times a year?? 10 football games and without baseball and college football what else is going to use it for 190 other days? You'd be surprised. Conventions, concerts, meetings in the conference rooms, etc. Kansas City built the Sprint Center here without a tenant and they fill that thing 250 nights a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 You'd be surprised. Conventions, concerts, meetings in the conference rooms, etc. Kansas City built the Sprint Center here without a tenant and they fill that thing 250 nights a year. Sprint Center is not a football stadium - An arena I understand - concerts/conventions/comedy shows/circus/etc. Football stadium 250 days a year?? This place will be the main concert venue in Mpls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 You'd be surprised. Conventions, concerts, meetings in the conference rooms, etc. Kansas City built the Sprint Center here without a tenant and they fill that thing 250 nights a year. she's not the brightest bulb in the drawer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Got to say, as much as I hate the Vikings, I'm glad I can continue to hate them in Minnesota and continue the NFC North rivalry. It's not too soon for that sentiment, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I don't know the last time a dad grabbed his 12 year old son, hopped in the family wagon, and drove 700 miles with the intent to take his son to his first crick-crossing on the spiffy new bridge over Crawdad Point, fully prepared to drop $500 on memorabilia, a few $9 beers, and a t-shirt that says "I could have gone to a Vikings game but all I got was this stupid shirt and a well-paved road." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I agree with Whomper that the Crawdad Point post was funny, that is until one realizes how wrong it is. Minnesota's economy is highly dependant on the fishing, hunting, and tourism industry. Those 10,000+ lakes have that many lodges and more. People do drive 700 miles and farther with their entire family pulling boats for vacations at those lakes. They don't stay for a few hours but for days and weeks dropping way more cash than they would for a Vikings game. They put their cash in the hands of small business owners at restaurants, gas stations, bait shops, lodges, taxidermy shops, and tourist traps. This money does not go to some out of state billionaire but to locals who pass it threw the local economy. Fixing roads and bridges in and around the Twin Cities would massively improve public safety, massively reduce the millions of lost hours and billions of lost productivity of those stuck in endless traffic. It would encourage business growth and business relocation. Anybody with any knowledge of City Planning can tell you that new roads and new rails are engines of growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) I agree with Whomper that the Crawdad Point post was funny, that is until one realizes how wrong it is. Minnesota's economy is highly dependant on the fishing, hunting, and tourism industry. Those 10,000+ lakes have that many lodges and more. People do drive 700 miles and farther with their entire family pulling boats for vacations at those lakes. They don't stay for a few hours but for days and weeks dropping way more cash than they would for a Vikings game. They put their cash in the hands of small business owners at restaurants, gas stations, bait shops, lodges, taxidermy shops, and tourist traps. This money does not go to some out of state billionaire but to locals who pass it threw the local economy. Fixing roads and bridges in and around the Twin Cities would massively improve public safety, massively reduce the millions of lost hours and billions of lost productivity of those stuck in endless traffic. It would encourage business growth and business relocation. Anybody with any knowledge of City Planning can tell you that new roads and new rails are engines of growth. I could have sworn I included a context around this quote, but I cannot find it - I probably lost it in an edit, sorry. I agree 100% that those things are important, probably even more important regionally. There is already money budgeted for those things though, and this doesn't take money away from them. If they were taking money away from those then yes, that raises huge concerns, but the whole issue is about finding ways to pay for it without doing so. Besides, he was just laughing at what an idiot I am with my analogies Edited May 12, 2012 by flemingd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcmast Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) I agree with Whomper that the Crawdad Point post was funny, that is until one realizes how wrong it is. Minnesota's economy is highly dependant on the fishing, hunting, and tourism industry. Those 10,000+ lakes have that many lodges and more. People do drive 700 miles and farther with their entire family pulling boats for vacations at those lakes. They don't stay for a few hours but for days and weeks dropping way more cash than they would for a Vikings game. They put their cash in the hands of small business owners at restaurants, gas stations, bait shops, lodges, taxidermy shops, and tourist traps. This money does not go to some out of state billionaire but to locals who pass it threw the local economy. Fixing roads and bridges in and around the Twin Cities would massively improve public safety, massively reduce the millions of lost hours and billions of lost productivity of those stuck in endless traffic. It would encourage business growth and business relocation. Anybody with any knowledge of City Planning can tell you that new roads and new rails are engines of growth. Northern MN economy is highly dependant on fishing, hunting, tourism, but there are a lot of large companies in MN. I'm sure a few of them have received tax breaks over the years. http://en.wikipedia....my_of_Minnesota Edited May 12, 2012 by kcmast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 she's not the brightest bulb in the drawer. A football stadium is different than an arena. Minneapolis also has new and other nice venues for concerts and things like that so I was just asking what kind of events are planned for this new football stadium to fill it up 250 nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 A football stadium is different than an arena. Minneapolis also has new and other nice venues for concerts and things like that so I was just asking what kind of events are planned for this new football stadium to fill it up 250 nights. It won't get filled. It will get used (I said 200, not 250, IIRC). High school football and soccer for a start, plus there's a hugh audience here (actually, most likely from across the eastern border) for monster truck rallies and stuff. As far as concerts go, the age of large stadium rock is over, IMO. Only one band in the world would fill a football stadium and that's U2, who just visited here anyway. The main point remains the viability of the Twin Cities being recognized as a major metro instead of an afterthought. I don't like subsidizing billionaires, nor do I support the Vikings but I do believe that being an NFL city is critical to the future of this place I live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 It won't get filled. It will get used (I said 200, not 250, IIRC). High school football and soccer for a start, plus there's a hugh audience here (actually, most likely from across the eastern border) for monster truck rallies and stuff. As far as concerts go, the age of large stadium rock is over, IMO. Only one band in the world would fill a football stadium and that's U2, who just visited here anyway. The main point remains the viability of the Twin Cities being recognized as a major metro instead of an afterthought. I don't like subsidizing billionaires, nor do I support the Vikings but I do believe that being an NFL city is critical to the future of this place I live in. You are correct you said 200. My bad. I agree it is critical to have a NFL team there. I was thinking it would be tough to be used that much when you have other venues that would takeaway from it. I would have guessed that soccer/high school football would play at the Gophers venue not a large NFL stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 You are correct you said 200. My bad. I agree it is critical to have a NFL team there. I was thinking it would be tough to be used that much when you have other venues that would takeaway from it. I would have guessed that soccer/high school football would play at the Gophers venue not a large NFL stadium. Gophers stadium has no roof. New stadium will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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