DaFreak Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Right or wrong, aunting, dissing, name calling is par for the course these days and not just in football. Getting inside a player's head is advantageous if it can distract him off his game. Gotta admit, there's a lot of dumb comments made here, but calling Norman a bully is up there (sorry, is that bullying by me to say that?). Its not about right or wrong, it's against NFL rules per their rule book. You can't taunt, you can't make homophobic slurs and you can't launch your body into another persons head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 this thread's as ugly as the game... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Listen, I'm not willing to keep going in circles with you. The refs officiate the game. That does not make them responsible for other people's actions as much as you wish it. It's like saying the police are responsible when people go on crime sprees because they they are suppose to prevent that. They are responsible in part because it is there responsibility to keep these kind of actions from getting out of hand. Things started in pre game and kept going, at some point they need to start ejecting players so those players don't escalate things and others know there is a serious penalty RIGHT NOW, not some fine or suspension that can be ignored for now. Ultimate OBJ is responsible, because he did it. And Norman is partially responsible for being the antagonist. Doesn't absolve the refs of their responsibility. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 They are responsible in part because it is there responsibility to keep these kind of actions from getting out of hand. Things started in pre game and kept going, at some point they need to start ejecting players so those players don't escalate things and others know there is a serious penalty RIGHT NOW, not some fine or suspension that can be ignored for now. Ultimate OBJ is responsible, because he did it. And Norman is partially responsible for being the antagonist. Doesn't absolve the refs of their responsibility. THIS^ The officials aren't responsible for either of the player's actions, however they ARE responsible for ALLOWING their actions to continue occurring... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wpob Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Ultimate OBJ is responsible, because he did it. And Norman is partially responsible for being the antagonist. Doesn't absolve the refs of their responsibility. This is the most correct statement about the whole issue. Odell should be suspended and heavily fined. Norman should be fined or suspended. The refs should be fined/suspended. This is the perfect time for the NFL to come down hard on all three parties and let the rest of the league - players and refs - know this will not be tolerated going forward. That is the only way to hopefully ensure it will not happen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 If you toss out that kind of nonsense I'll call you a moron. Oh will ya, tough guy? Get over yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 This is the most correct statement about the whole issue. Odell should be suspended and heavily fined. Norman should be fined or suspended. The refs should be fined/suspended. This is the perfect time for the NFL to come down hard on all three parties and let the rest of the league - players and refs - know this will not be tolerated going forward. That is the only way to hopefully ensure it will not happen again. I get suspended. He gets suspended. Everybody gets suspended !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 They are responsible in part because it is there responsibility to keep these kind of actions from getting out of hand. Things started in pre game and kept going, at some point they need to start ejecting players so those players don't escalate things and others know there is a serious penalty RIGHT NOW, not some fine or suspension that can be ignored for now. Ultimate OBJ is responsible, because he did it. And Norman is partially responsible for being the antagonist. Doesn't absolve the refs of their responsibility. Correct, OBJ decided to do it. Norman's taunting and still being out on the field probably factored into his decision, but ultimately he made a choice to perform that action. Just like how Josh Gordon's upbringing and being on a team flight where others are drinking may have factored into his decision, it still is his responsibility to not drink or are we blaming the coaches who were on that flight with him? You can say the refs didn't do their job cause they didn't. You can say Norman antagonized OBJ cause he did. You can not at any point say that they forced OBJ to spear into Norman's head. Sorry just can not see how the blame lies anywhere else then with the one who committed the action, otherwise who is truly responsible for each thing an individual does? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Correct, OBJ decided to do it. Norman's taunting and still being out on the field probably factored into his decision, but ultimately he made a choice to perform that action. Just like how Josh Gordon's upbringing and being on a team flight where others are drinking may have factored into his decision, it still is his responsibility to not drink or are we blaming the coaches who were on that flight with him? You can say the refs didn't do their job cause they didn't. You can say Norman antagonized OBJ cause he did. You can not at any point say that they forced OBJ to spear into Norman's head. Sorry just can not see how the blame lies anywhere else then with the one who committed the action, otherwise who is truly responsible for each thing an individual does? True, I'm not blaming Norman for OBJ's actions, I'm blaming Norman for his actions. He slammed OBJ with no consequence, in addition to other rule breaking violations, and he should be fined or suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 reportedly, Norman has also been fined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 reportedly, Norman has also been fined. I hope this is true. Now let's penalize the referees and close this thread, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 I hope this is true. Now let's penalize the referees and close this thread, LOL. We need to keep it open until the appeal decision...and for me to mention again how sad I am that I cant use him for my superbowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 We need to keep it open until the appeal decision...and for me to mention again how sad I am that I cant use him for my superbowl My bad, you're right....we need to continue the female dogging, especially if you lose the big game because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Even the VP of officiating encouraged ejections during the game and the referees didn't heed the advice. http://espn.go.com/newyork/nfl/story/_/id/14425015/nfl-vp-officiating-dean-blandino-says-odell-beckham-jr-ejected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 reportedly, Norman has also been fined. According to Florio, 2 fines totaling about $26k. Should have been more IMO. I honestly think they both should have been suspended a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 According to Florio, 2 fines totaling about $26k. Should have been more IMO. I honestly think they both should have been suspended a game. They should've been ejected and since that didn't happen, they both should be suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFreak Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 They should've been ejected and since that didn't happen, they both should be suspended. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Apologies for not reading the stuff above if I've missed it. Has he had his appeal heard yet or are we still waiting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Apologies for not reading the stuff above if I've missed it. Has he had his appeal heard yet or are we still waiting? Believe later today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin_Akie Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Believe later today. Cheers man. SNF is gonna be fun if theres no AP or Beckham Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Even the VP of officiating encouraged ejections during the game and the referees didn't heed the advice. http://espn.go.com/newyork/nfl/story/_/id/14425015/nfl-vp-officiating-dean-blandino-says-odell-beckham-jr-ejected Saw that story on NFL.com this morning. Was discussing it elsewhere and somebody was suggesting the league officials in NY in contact with the game officials should have the authority to eject players, or very strongly suggest (do it or else) to the game officials that the player be ejected. I watched the game last night on NFL replay (condensed 1 hour), not sure if they showed all the little fights, but I was wondering if anybody thought OBJ should have been ejected before the head hunting shot on Norman? If so what was the particular play and what did he do? I agree, after that shot he should have been ejected, and not sure why Norman was even penalized. Both players kept going at it, on a late TD (to tie maybe) OBJ tried to step on Norman after the TD as he did his celebration dance. It reminds me of two 5 year olds playing a game of "Mom he's touching me!!!." "No I'm not touching you..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 8s8 seconds ago Odell Beckham Jr.'s appeal ended about 1:25 or so. Would be a surprise if there were not a verdict before tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 8s8 seconds ago Odell Beckham Jr.'s appeal ended about 1:25 or so. Would be a surprise if there were not a verdict before tonight. NFL offices are probably closed tomorrow (or at least those making the decision will be out), so the decision will happen today. Also saw this story about the NFL sending a memo after the OBJ suspension to all 32 teams about following pre-game rules. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-warns-all-32-teams-about-pregame-rules-after-obj-suspension-032841825.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Josina Anderson @JosinaAnderson 3m3 minutes ago I’m also told by a source Odell Beckham Jr expressed a measure of accountability during the hearing. “I was proud of him,” the source added. I bet the guy gets the suspension lifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 I bet the guy gets the suspension lifted. From your lips to Gods ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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