League_Champion Posted November 1, 2022 Author Share Posted November 1, 2022 47 minutes ago, Finn5033 said: I love it. It fills two needs for the Vikings and I think it will help the running and passing game. No excuses for Cousins, he's got everything he needs now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Finn5033 said: I love it. It fills two needs for the Vikings and I think it will help the running and passing game. Agreed. I didn't know what to make of it at first but after looking at the details looks to be a great trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijoerock Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, League_Champion said: No excuses for Cousins, he's got everything he needs now. That's the problem. Cousins is still Cousins. I would like to see Aaron Roger's in a Viking uniform similar to Brett Farve. Edited November 2, 2022 by gijoerock Updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Vikes targeted Smith 33 times in 7 weeks...I'm not overly enthusiastic about this move for Hock... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 42 minutes ago, loaf said: Vikes targeted Smith 33 times in 7 weeks...I'm not overly enthusiastic about this move for Hock... Maybe because Smith is a steaming pile of garbage. He is no Hockenson. I wouldn't use that stat to evaluate Hockenson's potential on that offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 12:17 PM, Jaxfactor904 said: As a JJ owner I don’t like this at all. I can't say I know for sure how this affects everyone but I guess I am not sure it hurts JJ, particularly in the red zone. He has been bracketed a lot in the red zone and TD production has been down and having Hockenson may make that a bit harder. In general I think this opens up the offense both with running and passing, and JJ is still the first look, so hey may not be much affected. I would expect maybe more hit to Thielen. Cook shouldn't be hugely affected either I don't think. He may have less receptions but his running should be opened up too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Hockenson had one great game this year, another good one, and the rest were nothing special. He's also very injury prone. He's definitely an upgrade over Smith, but time will tell how this trade works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, darin3 said: Maybe because Smith is a steaming pile of garbage. He is no Hockenson. I wouldn't use that stat to evaluate Hockenson's potential on that offense. For sure. Vikings didn't trade 3-4 draft picks for Hockenson to be an in kind replacement to Irv Smith Jr. Hockenson was the 8th overall draft pick in his draft class and for whatever reason he was somewhat a disappointment in Detroit. But nothing about his pass catching, blocking, RAC ability made him seem like a bad pick or a bust. Even with Detroit's (the really bad word)ery, he was still a top 5ish/6ish fantasy TE in Detroit over the last two years. Hock should have always been used as a weapon that could mirror Mark Andrews/George Kittle/Darren Waller type expectations in fantasy. I get Jefferson, Thielen, and Osborn aren't mincemeat for target share in Minnesota. But, Hock can easily become the #3 option and potentially make Thielen a 2a/2b instead of the de facto #2. Targets share was good with Hock at Detroit; but efficiency on those targets was absolutely terrible. That was because of Goff and the system IMHO. Cousins made Kyle Rudolph fantasy relevant, mostly due to red zone targets and TDs. The floor for Hockenson seems pretty high with his new team. Ceiling on his ability has always been there. ETA: With all this said, in my local I have Gerald Everett as the backup TE and may start him this weekend over Hockenson. Edited November 3, 2022 by Bobby Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Bobby Brown said: For sure. Vikings didn't trade 3-4 draft picks for Hockenson to be an in kind replacement to Irv Smith Jr. Hockenson was the 8th overall draft pick in his draft class and for whatever reason he was somewhat a disappointment in Detroit. But nothing about his pass catching, blocking, RAC ability made him seem like a bad pick or a bust. Even with Detroit's (the really bad word)ery, he was still a top 5ish/6ish fantasy TE in Detroit over the last two years. Hock should have always been used as a weapon that could mirror Mark Andrews/George Kittle/Darren Waller type expectations in fantasy. I get Jefferson, Thielen, and Osborn aren't mincemeat for target share in Minnesota. But, Hock can easily become the #3 option and potentially make Thielen a 2a/2b instead of the de facto #2. Targets share was good with Hock at Detroit; but efficiency on those targets was absolutely terrible. That was because of Goff and the system IMHO. Cousins made Kyle Rudolph fantasy relevant, mostly due to red zone targets and TDs. The floor for Hockenson seems pretty high with his new team. Ceiling on his ability has always been there. ETA: With all this said, in my local I have Gerald Everett as the backup TE and may start him this weekend over Hockenson. Ah, the ever so cleverly-veiled WDIS question edited into the end of all that post. I like it and concur with able- minded assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted November 3, 2022 Author Share Posted November 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Bobby Brown said: Targets share was good with Hock at Detroit; but efficiency on those targets was absolutely terrible. That was because of Goff and the system IMHO. Cousins made Kyle Rudolph fantasy relevant, mostly due to red zone targets and TDs. The floor for Hockenson seems pretty high with his new team. Ceiling on his ability has always been there. I agree, the Vikings spend a lot of time in the red zone and his target shares should go up a quite bit. Cousins hasn't done a great job getting his TEs involved but it's also been a while since he's had a good one. I think it's a great pickup for Minnesota, he just has to stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 9/70 VERY NICE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaft Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Dcat said: 9/70 VERY NICE! Yes it was. I should've started him over Michael Pittman in my flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 The last time any MIN TE had nine catches was 2018 with Kyle Rudolph. Hockenson did it in his first game? Very nice indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 7 hours ago, Dcat said: 9/70 VERY NICE! For a guy who hasn't even fully learned the playbook that is certainly a good start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 He's better than Irv Smith Jr it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Very happy to be wrong...too bad he was on my bench for Isaiah Likely...TBD but 9 catches means I have a free roster spot now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 He had 9 or more receptions exactly once in his career prior to that game (vs PHI in 2021). He averaged about 6.1 targets/game in his time with the Lions He caught every pass thrown his way, that won't happen every week but he is going to rack up the points with MIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) one minor thing to note...2 of his 9 catches were screen attempts that went poorly for negative yds. i think that could easily be attributed to lack of practice and work better in the future with more time with the team and especially timing with the off line Edited November 7, 2022 by BillyBalata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 4 hours ago, BillyBalata said: one minor thing to note...2 of his 9 catches were screen attempts that went poorly for negative yds. i think that could easily be attributed to lack of practice and work better in the future with more time with the team and especially timing with the off line The Redskins D was actually looking pretty good. They may be a bit underrated so far. But for sure, the Vikes seem to like their new toy, this bodes well for Hock owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 He should make a nice impact over the next 4 weeks. With Buffalo, Dallas, NE, and NYJ, they are all capable of diffusing a team's best wide out. In Week 14, he goes up against the Lions in Detroit. I see him and Goedert fighting it out as TE2 when the season's over, at worst case, they are 3/4 if Andrews comes back and does his thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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