League_Champion Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Bier Meister said: If you look at the title manning won with denver at the end of his career, it looks a lot like brady starting out.... dominant defense. Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 77.4 with 1,001 yards, 3 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in 4 games in Super Bowls in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Purple…. early on, Brady was not asked to do much. He was not required to pass/score a lot for the tram to win. D/st was scoring for them. come on now. You know what happens when an offense must be 1 dimensional (Indy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, League_Champion said: Peyton Manning had a passer rating of 77.4 with 1,001 yards, 3 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in 4 games in Super Bowls in his career. Do you remember seattle’s formula that crushed the high powered Broncos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Bier Meister said: Do you remember seattle’s formula that crushed the high powered Broncos? You're hopped up on showing everyone Brady's stats, these mean nothing?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, League_Champion said: You're hopped up on showing everyone Brady's stats, these mean nothing?? I don’t think you watched the games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Bier Meister said: I don’t think you watched the games You gotta be kidding 😂 Manning, amazing NFL QB and certainly top 5 IMO but the GOAT, hell no! I'd put your boy Montana over Manning. Eli was the better Superbowl QB, is he there as well?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 minute ago, League_Champion said: You gotta be kidding 😂 Manning, amazing NFL QB and certainly top 5 IMO but the GOAT, hell no! I'd put your boy Montana over Manning. Eli was the better Superbowl QB, is he there as well?? So... do you believe eli is better than peyton? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, League_Champion said: Manning, amazing NFL QB and certainly top 5 IMO but the GOAT, hell no! I'd put your boy Montana over Manning. Manning, brady, montana are my top three and we can make arguments for all of them as #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, purplemonster said: The Patriots have an average offensive ranking of 5.5 in their six championship seasons, with an average defensive ranking of 4.3. However, with a p-value of 0.54, we are unable to conclude from this data whether the Patriots’ offense or defense deserves more credit for their six Super Bowl titles. After removing the Patriots from the Super Bowl winner data, the average offensive ranking of teams increases from 8.4 to 9.4. This means that the Patriots, in their championship seasons, generally had a higher ranked offense than other Super Bowl winners in the past 20 years. Their offensive ranking for the season has as much to do with their cupcake division as anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bier Meister said: Manning, brady, montana are my top three and we can make arguments for all of them as #1 I can't argue with your top 3, it's solid. I just don't see any scenario imaginable where Brady isn't #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, League_Champion said: I can't argue with your top 3, it's solid. I just don't see any scenario imaginable where Brady isn't #1. How much of the burden the qb carries factors into it for me. Manning and Montana were asked to do more earlier. Sf did not have much of a running game and Walsh enhanced what he learned in Cincy and developed the wco. Montana and Brady benefited from excellent defenses. Manning had better offensive pieces (earlier) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Going away from stats for a minute and going on gut, my feeling was that at their peaks Manning was as good as anyone, and maybe better than Brady marginally for all I know. Its for the whole corpus of work I just can't see unseating Brady, even with the good D and easy division, he was so clutch. So many of those teams had rags and he made them studs or at least squeezed more out of them than you thought possible. They did jack everywhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Bier Meister said: Brady benefited from excellent defenses. Did you see how many 4th QT come from behind games he's had? That kinda blows that theory up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 6 hours ago, darin3 said: Sorry I went beyond your attention span capacity. There are medications for ADD, perhaps give them a try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, League_Champion said: Did you see how many 4th QT come from behind games he's had? That kinda blows that theory up. you are not connecting the dots.... he was not having to score a lot of points. he was great at moving the ball into fg range. the defense kept them in enough for him to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, Bier Meister said: you are not connecting the dots.... he was not having to score a lot of points. he was great at moving the ball into fg range. the defense kept them in enough for him to do that. You're all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 How many hits and sacks did Peyton take during a year compared to Brady? That greatly impacted his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Who knew it took Brady retiring and some GOAT conversation to get us back to talking football 👏 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, League_Champion said: You're all over the place. I think i have been pretty concise and coherent. there are a lot of factors that go into assessing a qb. you are going by 4th quarter comebacks and SB wins. there is more that go into how these qbs operate imo. you are also forgetting that most of my "criticism" is related to his early years and NEP's early success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, stevegrab said: How many hits and sacks did Peyton take during a year compared to Brady? That greatly impacted his career. Who had the fastest release time and highest pocket awareness? It's probably really close. That's who took less hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, League_Champion said: Did you see how many 4th QT come from behind games he's had? That kinda blows that theory up. It doesn't at all. Wilson was racking up 4th QB comebacks at very high pace early in his career, setting pace records in that stat. A lot of it was because Seattle played ball control offense, with a good defense, and they didn't routinely put up a lot of points. I'm with Bier, you talk about football a lot more than you've actually watched it. Edited February 3, 2023 by Bobby Brown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bobby Brown said: It doesn't at all. Wilson was racking up 4th QB comebacks at very high pace early in his career, setting pace records in that stat. A lot of it was because Seattle played ball control offense, with a good defense, and they didn't routinely put up a lot of points. I'm with Bier, you talk about football a more than you've actually watched it. So who's your GOAT RussBoy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 49 minutes ago, League_Champion said: Did you see how many 4th QT come from behind games he's had? That kinda blows that theory up. Yes, the picture I posted earlier was one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 47 minutes ago, Running With Daboll said: Sorry I went beyond your attention span capacity. There are medications for ADD, perhaps give them a try? C'mon, you don't find that in the least bit funny / hypocritical? Why does everything have to turn into a pissing match around here? You said you were keeping it short and went on to type 7 paragraphs, man. I thought it was funny. Maybe you should pop some additional Metamucil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 41 minutes ago, League_Champion said: Who had the fastest release time and highest pocket awareness? It's probably really close. That's who took less hits. That would be Marino and probably Moon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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