T-Scorp Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...ots_franch.html What will it take to trade for him?? 2 number ones?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 That's only if another team offers him a bigger contract and the Pats don't match it, yeah? Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that was only if he is a restricted free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) If he is franchised, teams can't get him, period, without completing a trade with the Pats. I think they would give him up for a 1st and a player, or a 1st and 2nd or 3rd. Teams aren't going to give away their entire future for a guy with so many doubts as to what kind of player he would be outside of New England. Edited February 5, 2009 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 If he is franchised, teams can't get him, period, without completing a trade with the Pats. I think they would give him up for a 1st and a player, or a 1st and 2nd or 3rd. Teams aren't going to give away their entire future for a guy with so many doubts as to what kind of player he would be outside of New England. +1 exactly what i was thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that was only if he is a restricted free agent. Opie is correct. They would get 2 firsts if they don't match a higher offer. RFA's have compensation levels, but usually to lower compensations. Teams can slap a franchise tag just to get something in return in a trade to who gives him a high offer, such as the case of the Packers placing the franchise tag on Corey Williams last year, then trading him to Cleveland for a second-round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Opie is correct. They would get 2 firsts if they don't match a higher offer. RFA's have compensation levels, but usually to lower compensations. Teams can slap a franchise tag just to get something in return in a trade to who gives him a high offer, such as the case of the Packers placing the franchise tag on Corey Williams last year, then trading him to Cleveland for a second-round pick. thanks for the correction. Ouch! I don't usually mess that stuff up. How could anyone in Seattle not know the franchise rules!?!? I knew that at one point. What I get for openin' my yapper. Nobody has ever actually traded the two first-rounders though right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) Just another piece I saw on Cassel- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...tml?eref=si_nfl Fear Cassel Is A One-Year Wonder Today, 03:45 PM There is some fear amongst some in the NFL that Patriots QB Matt Cassel is a one-year wonder. "He didn't play much in college...So you're making your judgments solely off one year," said one NFL personnel director. "That's fine, but you don't know how he will respond to the different looks that he will face next year after defensive coordinators have spent an offseason breaking down his strengths and weaknesses." Edited February 6, 2009 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Nobody has ever actually traded the two first-rounders though right?? Not for a franchise player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Even if teams aren't sold on him being their next franchise player, they'll have to give something to get him, which is more than the Pats would otherwise have gotten. If I were Cassel, I'd run as fast as I could to sign that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 If I'm Cassell, I'm driving to Foxboro right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 id love to be a fly on the wall when listening to scott pioli talk about matt cassel around the kc offices...id really like to know what his opinion is matt to kc for tony and a 3rd??? id have to think this would be a pretty good deal....theyd get matt to sign a deal thatd probably be less than what theyd pay stafford...and theyd still get to keep that 3rd pick and get an impact guy.....i think the jury is still out on matt cassel....but at least kc would be getting a guy who was well coached and has a clue....i think it beats rolling the dice on an inconsistent stafford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) id love to be a fly on the wall when listening to scott pioli talk about matt cassel around the kc offices...id really like to know what his opinion is matt to kc for tony and a 3rd??? id have to think this would be a pretty good deal....theyd get matt to sign a deal thatd probably be less than what theyd pay stafford...and theyd still get to keep that 3rd pick and get an impact guy.....i think the jury is still out on matt cassel....but at least kc would be getting a guy who was well coached and has a clue....i think it beats rolling the dice on an inconsistent stafford Wouldn't the Pats be more interested in Larry Johnson, a relatively young back, than a rapidly aging (but still damn good) Gonzo? Edit: LJ is 29 and Gonzo will be 33 this month. I thought they were further apart in age than that... Edited February 6, 2009 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever in debt to mo lewis Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Wouldn't the Pats be more interested in Larry Johnson, a relatively young back, than a rapidly aging (but still damn good) Gonzo? Edit: LJ is 29 and Gonzo will be 33 this month. I thought they were further apart in age than that... believe me...LJ is a intriguing option...his running style is similar to corey dillons...and the situation is almost identical....he could thrive....but im not ready to close the door on maroney yet....and LJ would have to restructure...dunno if hes willing to do that....that being said...i think we need a reliable TE as much, if not more, than we need a back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Wouldn't the Pats be more interested in Larry Johnson, a relatively young back, than a rapidly aging (but still damn good) Gonzo? Edit: LJ is 29 and Gonzo will be 33 this month. I thought they were further apart in age than that... Considering the success they have had with Sammy Morris and Antwan Smith, I would guess they would not go for a RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Not for a franchise player. I thought Carolina did it some years ago for a DT from Washington. I think it was Gilbert that turned out to be a huge bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) believe me...LJ is a intriguing option...his running style is similar to corey dillons...and the situation is almost identical....he could thrive....but im not ready to close the door on maroney yet....and LJ would have to restructure...dunno if hes willing to do that....that being said...i think we need a reliable TE as much, if not more, than we need a back I'm about ready to close the door on Maroney. LJ, Lamont Jordan and Sammy Morris rotating in the same backfield? Now THAT would be a 3-headed monster! Edited February 7, 2009 by Crazysight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 thanks for the correction. Ouch! I don't usually mess that stuff up. How could anyone in Seattle not know the franchise rules!?!? I knew that at one point. What I get for openin' my yapper. Nobody has ever actually traded the two first-rounders though right?? Seattle didn't get 2 firsts for Galloway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Seattle didn't get 2 firsts for Galloway? Yes, but it was technically a sign and trade deal for that and not an unmatched signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 New England will not part with anything with at least a first for Cassell and maybe two, and I GUARANTEE Pioli won't give up one first, let alone two, for Cassell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 New England will not part with anything with at least a first for Cassell and maybe two, and I GUARANTEE Pioli won't give up one first, let alone two, for Cassell. I agree. NFL.com's Adam Schefter says there is belief around the league that Cassel will stay in New England because of QB Tom Brady's knee and the compensation the Patriots would be looking for in return. Cassel's lack of playing history could lead team's to be a bit skeptical about trading for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I agree. NFL.com's Adam Schefter says there is belief around the league that Cassel will stay in New England because of QB Tom Brady's knee and the compensation the Patriots would be looking for in return. Cassel's lack of playing history could lead team's to be a bit skeptical about trading for him. I think that's what will make a trade difficult. He has too much value to the pats right now and they know he can operate in their system. Another team would be taking on a decent amount of risk in trading a lot for him. If Brady's definitely 100% in training camp, maybe that's when the Pats lower their asking price and deal him. Of course, by then it could very well be too late to get anything done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) I think that's what will make a trade difficult. He has too much value to the pats right now and they know he can operate in their system. Another team would be taking on a decent amount of risk in trading a lot for him. If Brady's definitely 100% in training camp, maybe that's when the Pats lower their asking price and deal him. Of course, by then it could very well be too late to get anything done. Therein lies the tricky aspect. Just imagine if they can deal him now and get significant value for him while adding multiple picks and rolling the dice with Brady being ready. If the deal is there, I think they pull the trigger but I'm not sure the deal will be there. Edited February 9, 2009 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) Cassel's lack of playing history could lead team's to be a bit skeptical about trading for him. He has a full season as a successful NFL QB, which is a heck of a lot more than any player coming out of college can say. Any personnel guy worth their salt understands this. Edited February 9, 2009 by Caveman_Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 believe me...LJ is a intriguing option...his running style is similar to corey dillons...and the situation is almost identical....he could thrive....but im not ready to close the door on maroney yet....and LJ would have to restructure...dunno if hes willing to do that....that being said...i think we need a reliable TE as much, if not more, than we need a back I'm ready to close that door. Guy runs soft. He tippy-toes and won't take the 2 yard gain when it's there. Hope I never see him run for the Pat's again, and I was a HUGH fan. But he's gross to watch. And they did set the record for most points scored in one season two years ago with Brady, Moss and Welker, did they not? With Watson as the #1 TE they managed to score a ton of points. I wouldn't exactly list reliable TE as a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmutts Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I really think after 3 seasons of not being able to stay on the field that Maroney could very well be cut. When you look at some of the starting QB's last year, there are a lot of teams that could use Cassel. KC is an interesting situation. Pioli needs to decided of Thigpen is the future or not. With Cassel, he knows what he has. I think KC would keep Gonzo and try to deal LJ. LJ to NE is interesting. If he wants to play for a contender he will need to lower his pay and realize he is no longer "the man." I just dont know if he can be a total team guy like NE wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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