CaP'N GRuNGe Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/ The latest on Jared Allen April 18th, 2008 – 12:55 PM by Judd Zulgad Defensive end Jared Allen is at Winter Park right now talking to Vikings officials. It’s also believed his agent, Ken Harris, is in the building. That means only one thing: they are talking contract. The latest we’re hearing is that an agreement with the Chiefs is close to being in place and this thing could get done quick. We emphasize the word could, so don’t get too excited yet. Allen is going to want a lot of Zygi Wilf’s money. Safe to say, the NFL’s sack leader from 2007 is going to want more than the Colts gave end Dwight Freeney last July. Freeney’s six-year contract – $72 million over six years with a $30 million signing bonus — made him the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history. Considering the fact a player with Allen’s ability could make this one of the top defenses in the NFL, the guess is that Wilf and Co. will pay the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Too bad he can't score enough to win games. It is a good addition but will it help enough to win games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I forgot, it's been so long. How many years running have you been typing the above? None actually! How many years have you been misguiding all of us on here about the DEN RB situation? Carl has stated he wanted to fulfill his contract which runs through this season and then he will step down. Not "I will see what Clark has to say after this year", a "I will step down after my contract is up" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Too bad he can't score enough to win games. It is a good addition but will it help enough to win games? apparently you're not paying attention, Jared can change the game by himself, he's good for 1-2 wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 apparently you're not paying attention, Jared can change the game by himself, he's good for 1-2 wins So if he gets traded then KC goes 0-16? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 None actually! How many years have you been misguiding all of us on here about the DEN RB situation? HEY! Let me tell you.... Well, actually... Ah, #### it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 Too bad he can't score enough to win games. It is a good addition but will it help enough to win games? :sniffsniff: What is that smell? Jealousy? Fear? Poopypants? Maybe a sad mixture of all three? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I would be a bit surprised to see Allen's contract be bigger than Freeney's, with the 2 DUIs and the risk of further suspension in the future. Especially considering the way Zigi cleaned house after "The Love Boat". But then, that makes me a bit surprised he is considering allowing a trade for Allen at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadman Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So how would it help your Chiefs? Is this a serious question, or are you still ripping me for actually liking more than one team? If it's the latter, then, whatever, if it's the former, then all I can add is: I am not that plugged in to Chiefs info, living up here, so I don't know how it would help, other than the continue to rebuild the team with young/new players that Edwards thinks are guys he wants around, and since Allen seriously wants out, it probably would be better in the long run, maybe even the short run. I know how much the Arrowhead fans love him, and how he can change a game, but if he's going to be a cancerous attitude, then better to end the run, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 :sniffsniff: What is that smell? Jealousy? Fear? Poopypants? Maybe a sad mixture of all three? Not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 When the excitement dies down. I hope they don't get screwed. Remember the Vikings got a 1st and something if correct for Randy Moss. The Vikings selected Troy Williams WR. It didn't really work for any team really. But that first which was a very high first at that got them a BUST. Money plays a role in these players. And that is something we can't guage. Going from anywhere from zero to 20k a year. To millions by being drafted. Changes these players more than anything. And thats some we can't tell till it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadman Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Too bad he can't score enough to win games. It is a good addition but will it help enough to win games? Let's look at this question: • Putting him on the same front line as Pat and Kevin Williams probably upgrades the front to arguably the best in the league. • Adding the most prolific DE pass rusher to the best run defense improves the front line, allows the linebackers, safeties and cornerbacks to not have to blitz nearly as much, making the pass coverage better. A lot better, considering how much less time they will have to cover in the first place. • The defense will be on the field less, will generally provide the offense with better field position, which makes the offense stronger. • Not only is he a top sacker, he batted down an unreal amount of passes, and forced a ton of fumbles - add that guy to an already opportunistic turnover causing defense, and in some real ways, he will either score, or help provide more defensive scores (directly to your first point). • A better defense will put the ball in the hands of the outstanding rushing game, and we know what a homerun threat that can be. More chances for AP is a pretty good thing, IMO. Better field position and more opportunities should help the confidence of the debatable QB, who now has a more serious threat to throw downfield to in Berrian, and more opportunities for more shots to him should provide more scoring. Not saying I expect anything terrific out of the QB, cause I don't. But it should be better, directly due to the addition of Allen. That's enough for the initial argument, I guess. I don't think there's any doubt that adding Allen will help more than enough to win some games, simply due to adding him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Let's look at this question: That's enough for the initial argument, I guess. I don't think there's any doubt that adding Allen will help more than enough to win some games, simply due to adding him. I agree it does. My point is it good enough to win games if the offense scores 14-17 points. AP is excellent but is 14-21 points enough to win many games? I'm sure Jackson will be better and Berrian is an upgrade, but is it enough? It could be. I was just asking whether the defense is what they should be upgrading when there is talk McKinnie may be part of the trade. It doesn't matter to me. I like Allen and have him in DW3. It was just a question about what to upgrade. When a player falls in your lap it is hard to pass up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Who are we kidding. Carl will find a way to screw this whole thing up anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Who are we kidding. Carl will find a way to screw this whole thing up anyway. Yeah, this is all pointless really. They are a 2 win team with him and a 1 win team without. It is great to get an extra first and second rounder for a guy you just don't want to write a check to, but I am fully confident Carl will use at least one of those picks on a bust, and if the other guys he gets is any good, he will pull this routine all over again in a few years. And so it goes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadman Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I agree it does. My point is it good enough to win games if the offense scores 14-17 points. AP is excellent but is 14-21 points enough to win many games? I'm sure Jackson will be better and Berrian is an upgrade, but is it enough? It could be. I was just asking whether the defense is what they should be upgrading when there is talk McKinnie may be part of the trade. It doesn't matter to me. I like Allen and have him in DW3. It was just a question about what to upgrade. When a player falls in your lap it is hard to pass up though. Definitely something to think about - I personally think adding an all-pro caliber DE will provide more points for the team, and will result in them scoring more than 14-21 points most games. I do think they need to upgrade the OL, and need to add a QB and a TE (John Carlson in round 4 would be great.) If they give up a 1 and a 3, it will be tough to upgrade all over, but I do the deal in a minute, and see how it shakes out. And there's always the nagging worry of keeping McKinney, and him taking Allen out on the town, and them both being out of football in a year, and then, um, I dunno. But I think it's the best thing they can do to upgrade (rather dramatically, IMO) the football team. Some of the top players on this team don't have that much football left in them - I think the time is now, and I think they do, too. We'll see, I guess. Kinda scares me that Tampa is the other team - they always seem to matter of factly get these kind of deals done quickly, every year. And it will be up to the Chiefs to decide, and I doubt that Allen's preferences are their main concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Too bad he can't score enough to win games. It is a good addition but will it help enough to win games? Well if he knocks the ball out of Aaron Rodgers or even Ryan Grants hands enough times, the Vikes could possibly score some points right there. Allen sounds alot like having Doleman coming around the corner and blindsiding the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Well if he knocks the ball out of Aaron Rodgers or even Ryan Grants hands enough times, the Vikes could possibly score some points right there. Allen sounds alot like having Doleman coming around the corner and blindsiding the QB. He'll have to pick it up and score himself, as Jackson will just throw a pick and give it right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 (edited) I didn't say that as an insult. I think they're about the same. Add the Pirates and Twins most years too. Nope, all three of those teams have won a championship at some point. The Twins won the WS in '87 and '91 and have won the AL Central four times in the past six seasons, so I have no idea why you're equating them to the Pirates. Without revenue sharing when you get good players you know they can't afford to keep them. MLB has had a revenue-sharing plan in place for the past 11 years, and extended it with the "luxury tax" on player salaries a few years ago. I believe that the Yankess and Red Sox alone contributed $120 million last year. The problem with MLB isn't the lack of socialism. It's the incompetent/deadbeat owners who refuse to invest the revenue-sharing dollars in talented players/coaches/executives, put a crappy product on the field, and are content to make a profit with a $30 million payroll every year. The fact that the Marlins won two championships over the past 11 years while playing in one of the worst baseball markets/stadiums in the league, yet the Cubs haven't won in 100 years while playing in front of sellouts in a shrine of a stadium in a baseball-crazed city, tells you everything that you need to know the competitive balance in baseball. Oh, and that really sucks for Chiefs fans. I hope that King Carl gets kicked to the curb soon. Edited April 18, 2008 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Well if he knocks the ball out of Aaron Rodgers or even Ryan Grants hands enough times, the Vikes could possibly score some points right there. Allen sounds alot like having Doleman coming around the corner and blindsiding the QB. 7-9 baby if he can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 He'll have to pick it up and score himself, as Jackson will just throw a pick and give it right back. Well as many times as you watched Favre do that, you would know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 He'll have to pick it up and score himself, as Jackson will just throw a pick and give it right back. Looks like someone didn't read the Sporting News Draft Magazine. Didn't you know that Jackson is an "Elite" player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Looks like someone didn't read the Sporting News Draft Magazine. Didn't you know that Jackson is an "Elite" player? Is that where the Vikings get their scouting info? That sounds more like Red "Mike Tice is good enough" Combs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Is that where the Vikings get their scouting info? That sounds more like Red "Mike Tice is good enough" Combs. I'm sure that there are some 4 year olds out there that thought that was a mis-print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So if he gets traded then KC goes 0-16? I dunno, wanna put $100 on a predecition there smartass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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