BillyBalata Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'm not defining anything for you anymore. 13 wins. You lose. period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillyBalata said: I'm not defining anything for you anymore. 13 wins. You lose. period. We'll see about that. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, Running With Daboll said: We'll see about that. 🤣 Money was offered, you keep talking. over and over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillyBalata said: I'm not defining anything for you anymore. 13 wins. You lose. period. Your "1st year coach" took over an 8-9 team with more talent on it then several other COTY candidates teams combined. Extracting an additional 5 wins from them was nothing miraculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 blah blah blah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, BillyBalata said: Money was offered, you keep talking. over and over. You're ON pal. The bet you offered was which coach finishes above the other...right? Now I want a piece of that action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just now, BillyBalata said: blah blah blah Put your money where your big mouth is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillyBalata said: blah blah blah Crickets??? C'mon, let's make that bet, I'm waiting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 lol, $20 I say O'Connell finishes higher then Daboll in Coach of the year voting, they don't have win, there will be votes you can look up. I have been here over 20 some years, you can trust me to pay up. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) On 1/9/2023 at 12:38 PM, irish said: He's completely being sarcastic. Not at all. Andy Reid takes a rebuilding Chiefs team that traded their #1 receiver - a move that was laughed at by a lot of media people - retooled the wide receiver room, started multiple rookies and second year players on defense and STILL got them to the #1/#2 seed. He won't win it of course, but he deserves just as much consideration as any of these other guys. To me, if it's not Reid, Doug Pederson should win this hands down. To take that manure-hole of a franchise to the playoffs one year after Urban Meyer tried to turn them into an arena league team is a miracle. Edited January 10, 2023 by Chief Dick 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, BillyBalata said: lol, $20 I say O'Connell finishes higher then Daboll in Coach of the year voting, they don't have win, there will be votes you can look up. I have been here over 20 some years, you can trust me to pay up. I'm not concerned about your integrity, I doubt that you wouldn't own up. Same goes for me, but let's make it halfway between 20 and 50. $35.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Running With Daboll said: Crickets??? C'mon, let's make that bet, I'm waiting. Crickets? after 2 mins waiting for a reply? You just showed me you are a clown. The only way i make a wager with you is if someone else holds the money. F off. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillyBalata said: Crickets? after 2 mins waiting for a reply? You just showed me you are a clown. The only way i make a wager with you is if someone else holds the money. F off. LOLOLOLOL!!! OMG, you turned out to be the little kitty that I always knew you were! Lol! Any excuse not to bet me huh? And this was right after you called ME out! OMG, what happened to the bad ass talk? Go ahead, take your ball and go home, you just made a public fool of yourself. LOLOL! Edited January 10, 2023 by Running With Daboll 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, gilthorp said: Wow. Reminds me of the good old days. I'm in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplemonster Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Coach of the year is controversial! Not sure who I would pick either tbh. Nobody is jumping out. I think Pederson is fine. Idk about Daboll, I haven't been following it closely enough. Reid's QB is too talented for him to win whether he deserves it or not. Frankly I think Tomlin must have worked some magic to be above .500 with some questionable pieces there. O'Connell did a nice job, can't argue with 13 wins but let's be honest, some of that was luck. 11-6 would be more likely in a reality based universe which did not happen for the Vikes this year. Edited January 10, 2023 by purplemonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 NTOY 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Can I get an email alert when someone gets popped in the grill? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bobby Brown said: Can I get an email alert when someone gets popped in the grill? any time, any place Bobby ! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Daboll Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Sharp: Why Giants' Brian Daboll deserves to win Coach of the Year award www.foxsports.com To me, this isn't even a close contest. It's a landslide. NFL Coach of the Year isn't an award for the most successful coach or the best coach. It recognizes the coach who got the most out of the hand he was dealt this year and exceeded all expectations in doing so. It's an award for 2022 only. And in 2022, there is clearly no one more deserving than the New York Giants' Brian Daboll. Why is Daboll the easy, logical choice? Because we've seen other coaches repeatedly try, and fail, with essentially the exact same Giants roster. 2017: 3-13 under Ben McAdoo (gets fired) 2018: 5-11 under Pat Shurmur 2019: 4-12 under Pat Shurmur (gets fired) 2020: 6-10 under Joe Judge 2021: 4-13 under Joe Judge (gets fired) In the last five years, the Giants had the worst record in the NFL (22-59). No team was worse. The Giants were also the only team in the NFL to never win over six games in a season for the last five years. And then there's this one. The mother of all stats. Something that seems so inconceivable it must be pure fiction. Not at any point, not in any season, for the last FIVE YEARS, did the Giants have a winning record. They are the only team to pull off this historically embarrassing feat. Somehow, there wasn't a single week in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 or 2021 when the Giants had a record above .500 for even a week. Never 1-0. Never 3-2. Never 5-4. Never above .500 in any season. What did Brian Daboll inherit in 2022? The most embarrassing franchise in the NFL. Yes, the Giants are a storied franchise. But they were run all the way into the ground and had zero success in the past half-decade. How impressive has Daniel Jones been this season? https://a57.foxsports.com/static-media.fox.com/ms/stg1/sports/1600/900/play-62074e27f0007ec--0102_Giants_1672673701145.png?ve=1&tl=1 Brian Daboll's Giants won the first game of the season. But they didn't stop there. There wasn't a single week in 2022 where the Giants did not have a record above .500. That turnaround is unheard of and quite simply, amazing. Beyond the results, think of the context in which Daboll has made this turnaround. The Giants were left in an utter state of disrepair by former GM Dave Gettleman. As of February, the Giants had the 4th-lowest cap space of any team in the NFL. They also had the ninth-most snaps to replace in free agency. Both their starting QB and starting RB were highly drafted but so questioned that both were in line to play out their rookie deals and leave in free agency. Neither had their fifth-year option picked up. Of 30 QBs with 1,000 attempts from 2018-2021, Daniel Jones ranked between No. 25 and No. 30 in virtually every common metric, including completion percentage, yards per attempt, passer rating and TD:INT ratio. In more advanced metrics, he also ranked 29th in expected point added per attempt (-0.06) and 29th in success rate (41%) out of those 30 qualifying QBs. Understandably, ownership had no interest in extending him. This was the hand Daboll was dealt. A team with the worst record in the NFL over the prior five years (who never had a winning record of any kind during any of those seasons), a team with a bottom-five QB, bottom-four cap space and top-10 most snaps that needed to be replaced — as well as a variety of other messes left behind from a regime run into the ground by Joe Judge and Dave Gettleman. And in Year 1 on the job, Daboll did what none of the other coaches (and many were hired and fired trying) did with this roster: Win. And make the playoffs. This is a classic example of a coach getting things right when other coaches repeatedly tried and failed. That's clear Coach of the Year material. The Daboll-led Giants also played in the NFC East. The East is the ONLY division in the NFL that has two teams with 11+ wins (Philadelphia is 13-3, Dallas is 12-4) and the ONLY division where the worst team is only a half-game below .500 (Washington is 7-8-1). And yet he guided the Giants to clinching a playoff berth a full week before the season ended. His Giants were so good this season that they are locked into the playoffs and can rest players the final week of the season. Imagine saying that — no, thinking that — at any point in the prior five years. What did we say the proper criteria is to win Coach of the Year was? To recognize the coach who got the most out of the hand he was delt this year and exceeded all expectations in doing so. What better measure than sports-betting lines. This offseason, the Giants were -275 to miss the playoffs, which translates to 73% to miss the playoffs. Odds of the Giants making the playoffs were 27% before the season. And before the final week of the season, they sat at 100%. How is that for exceeding all expectations? What about exceeding expectations on a week-to-week basis? Look again to betting lines on each game, which predict the winner and the margin of that win (spread). The Giants covered the spread in 12 of their 16 games (75%). No team has covered the spread in more games. (The Bengals have also covered 12 as the defending Super Bowl Champion with franchise QB Joe Burrow at the helm.) Daboll's Giants had a 27% likelihood to make the playoffs. They got there. Daboll deserves the award. Look at some of the other top candidates: Nick Sirianni: No doubt a great coach. But he is in Year 2 and has been handed a Super Bowl-caliber roster by one of the best GMs in the NFL, Howie Roseman. The Eagles made the playoffs last year. Before the season started, the Eagles were 66% likely to make the playoffs. That percentage skyrocketed when Dak Prescott was injured. The Eagles have covered the spread in 8 games of 16 so far this year. It's been a great year to be an Eagles fan, but this is not the type of resume that wins a Coach of the Year award. There was nothing remarkable or massively unexpected about a team who, when Week 1 kicked-off, was expected to win the NFC East and make the playoffs for a second straight year doing so by winning a couple more games. Kyle Shanahan: Shanahan is one of my favorite coaches in the NFL. I absolutely love his offensive scheme and his play calling. But there is no way should even be close to winning Coach of the Year. This 49ers team won 13 games in 2019 and made the Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo at QB. And he's the QB who led the team to 12 wins in 2022. Last year, this team made the NFC Conference Championship game with Jimmy Garoppolo, recording double-digit wins. Entering 2022, they were projected to make the playoffs 69% of the time. Shanahan has been there for years, helping craft this roster with "his" players. None of this fits the model of winning Coach of the Year by recording completely unexpected results in a well-below-average situation. Dan Campbell: Campbell is in Year 2 and has his hand-picked QB at the helm. The turnaround for the Lions from 3-13-1 to 8-8 does fit the criteria. But entering the year, the Lions had plenty of cap space and didn't have to replace many snaps in free agency. They were expected to finish third in the NFC North and did. They aren't even in the playoffs entering the final week of the season and could be eliminated before their game even kicks off. Campbell would be my No. 2 candidate, but he does not have a more compelling case than Brian Daboll. It's not even remotely close. Doug Pederson: In Year 1 of the job, much like Daboll. That means a lot. A coach who exceeds expectations in his first year really showcases the difference he made. So for that reason, Pederson has an edge on some of these other non-Daboll candidates listed above. But that is where it ends for me. Pederson has a golden-child QB in No. 1 overall pick Trevor Lawrence, viewed as a generational talent. Jacksonville is 8-8 right now. They need to win their final game to even make the playoffs. And if they weren't in the terrible AFC South, it's quite likely their record wouldn't even get them in the playoffs except for the fact that the division winner gets an automatic spot. The Jaguars went 8-8 against the spread this year, meaning they didn't even exceed expectations on a game-by-game basis. One of those wins was over Justin Herbert days after his rib injury where he shouldn't have been playing. Pederson's other wins? Those came against Zach Wilson, the Davis Mills/Jeff Driskel combo, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Lamar Jackson and Dak Prescott. And then there are two undeniable facts that prevent Pederson from coming close to winning this award: 1. The Jaguars had the third-most cap space entering the season and spent an absurd $272,115,000 on free agents — not just the most of any team, but the second-highest team was down at $192 million. The Giants spent all of $54 million. Pederson was able to handpick and add blue-chip players this offseason to create his roster, a luxury not possible for Daboll. 2. Pederson was outcoached by Daboll when Daboll went into Jacksonville as an underdog and beat the Jaguars outright on the road. The top five candidates in the betting market for Coach of the Year are Daboll and the four listed above. There isn't a single candidate who was handed a worse slate, in his first year, with excuses everywhere to have a bad season, and achieved more. Taking a team that didn't just have the worst record in the NFL the prior five years, but never was above .500 at any point in that span, to never being below .500 in his first year, with a horrible cap situation, the second-worst QB in the NFL the prior four years, posting the most against-the-spread covers in the NFL while locking up a playoff seed with a week to go and being able to rest the final week of the season? Coach of the Year. Making something out of a roster that no other coach in New York could do, without having the cap space to change the roster? Coach of the Year. This is simple. While the betting markets haven't caught up to this yet, they soon will. There is no one with a better case for Coach of the Year than Brian Daboll. What he has done in New York in his first year, with Dave Gettleman's leftovers, has been nothing short of amazing. He not only changed the entire culture of the building but won games in the process and already punched a ticket to the postseason. He is our Coach of the Year. Warren Sharp is an NFL analyst for FOX Sports. He is the founder of Sharp Football Analysis and has worked as a consultant for league franchises while also previously contributing to ESPN and The Ringer, among other outlets. He studied engineering before using his statistical acumen to create predictive football models. You can follow Warren on Twitter at @SharpFootball. Get more from National Football League Follow your favorites to get information about games, news and more in this topic New York Giants National Football League Warren Sharp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heehawks Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, gilthorp said: Wow. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 23 hours ago, Running With Daboll said: Ok Bill, as much as it pains me to walk away from a double dog dare, I'm going to have to make this a gentleman's bet. I'm wimping out because I just lost my ass in fantasy this year, didn't even get my entry fee back. So even though the money involved here is substantially smaller than what I lost, I just can't justify potentially pissing away more money. I think the game will be close, and that it will come down to the last possession potentially. And I think the Giants will find a way to pull it out. Giants 26 Vikings 24 2 hours ago, Running With Daboll said: LOLOLOLOL!!! OMG, you turned out to be the little kitty that I always knew you were! Lol! Any excuse not to bet me huh? And this was right after you called ME out! OMG, what happened to the bad ass talk? Go ahead, take your ball and go home, you just made a public fool of yourself. LOLOL! Wow what a total douchebag. First you says no bet, because you got spanked in fantasy. Hmm breaking even isn't quite "losing your ass". But whatever, your call, don't bet. Now you're calling the other guy names? After finally accepting the bet, and expecting him to be hanging on your ever word to respond? NTOY of the year for sure. Had this guy pegged long ago another internet blowhard who has to be over the top to pretend he's somebody special. User name should be Smooching with Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) and for old time's sake Edited January 10, 2023 by darin3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League_Champion Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 This turned into a real heat getter, now I can't wait for them to announce coach of the year. 😳 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I will say this: I believe Pederson, Daboll and McConnell are all worthy for various differences. It'll be up to the voters to decide which factors are most important. Pederson's team was a crapshow for several years and pulled off not only a great complete-season turnaround, but had to endure a mid-season turnaround just to get them to over .500 and taking the AFC-S crown. For that he is more than worthy. Daboll on the other hand did more with less. Pederson had the benefit of a generational QB and injections-of-life at the RB, WR and TE positions not to mention LB. What did Daboll have? A QB that was hanging on by a thread and an oft-injured (albeit some say a "stud") RB. What did he have at WR and TE? Garbage. The case for McConnell is different. Can't ignore the record. Can't ignore the wins in stressful situations. But like Pederson, he did it with a fairly stacked roster, on both sides of the ball. My vote would go to Daboll only because that team, for all intents and purposes, was projected to win like 4 games and finish dead last in the NFC-E with a pretty bad roster. It was coaching that got them where they are. I think if there was another coach on either Jaguars or the Vikings, they'd still have a shot at the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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